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    Posted: 01 October 2013 at 6:39pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

As long as our media is so biased cheerleading for their candidate while slandering any opponent... Our system will remain broken, and jobs will continue to leave our country. 

We can't fix this until the public starts paying attention, and they only pay attention when their wallet is affected...

So we should see a big change in the publics opinion once Obamacare takes effect. Since this is what "we" were waiting for or something.


I like the non partisan slammage I'm hearing.   Did you wean yourself off of faux nuze?
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The White Mountains are AMAZING.  And Portsmouth is damn cool, too.  Both are vacation destinations for my family.  Not sure about local economies or jobs, though.
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Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:



Anyone have any suggestions of where to live in New Hampshire?


I've got a buddy who owns a fantastic restaurant in Portsmouth. So the food there is good, but otherwise, not really sure. I hear the White Mountains are nice.

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Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

You can, but both parties are going to continue to dominate for the forseeable future. Any independent or libertarian wins are purely hypothetical at this point.


Not only that, but any primary victories by 3rd party candidates see the major parties changing the rules to discount them.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/09/13/arizona-election-reform-bill-likely-to-be-on-2014-ballot/

Anyone have any suggestions of where to live in New Hampshire?
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As long as our media is so biased cheerleading for their candidate while slandering any opponent... Our system will remain broken, and jobs will continue to leave our country. 

We can't fix this until the public starts paying attention, and they only pay attention when their wallet is affected...

So we should see a big change in the publics opinion once Obamacare takes effect. Since this is what "we" were waiting for or something.
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Gun control is a funny thing. In 2005 they decided to reform our gun laws from an already fairly regulated yet almost "shall issue" system to a totally draconian system that require you to provide a need for a firearm and to exercise that need on a yearly basis in some cases.

There are now more "restricted" firearms in the hands of individuals than there ever were before they changed the laws. One drawback of requiring people to provide a "need" is the same need can be used to motivate for many weapons.

We are allowed, without any extra paperwork, 4 firearms, one of which may be a self defense weapon (pistol or shotgun). The other 3 may be any variation of shotgun, manual action rifle or pistol but only one extra pistol for occasional sporting or hunting use. If you want more than that you need to be a registered hunter or sports shooter.

To get registered as a sports shooter you need to belong to a shooting club and a shooting sport which will endorse your firearm as correct for the sport.

I shoot IDPA. They've recently introduced a rifle/shotgun component to it as well called Defensive Multi Gun. Now in IDPA you have SSP, ESP, CDP, ESR and SSR classes as well as a sub division called "BUG". Right off the bat that is 6 pistols I can motivate for. Then bring on the DMG. That's rifles and shotguns. The rifles are broken up into various caliber classes and if they are equipped with optics or not. There are 11 of those classes. The classes work with various shotgun setups. So that's 11 shotguns as well.

Our semi auto rifles are categorized as "restricted" firearms, as are semi auto shotguns. But this isn't a problem if you are a registered sports shooter. I can motivate for 28 firearms for one sport and I have the paperwork to back the claims up. That's without using the "hook" of being a dedicated sportsman, so I need backups in case my primary one goes down. This is one sport. I shoot in 3 sports. I haven't even looked into hunting yet. Or Clays.

There used to be one or two LM's and maybe a Mini 14 at the range that we all used to share. Now we all have our own individual rifles. Literally from sharing 4 rifles between a detail of 16 people we have 15 rifles for 16 people. Gun control, it works.

Tallen, sorry to hear about your loss and you were so close to finishing your FAL. Why did you insist on taking it on the boat to finish those last few things! :)

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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

You can, but both parties are going to continue to dominate for the forseeable future. Any independent or libertarian wins are purely hypothetical at this point.


Not only that, but any primary victories by 3rd party candidates see the major parties changing the rules to discount them.


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Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:


Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

You can, but both parties are going to continue to dominate for the forseeable future. Any independent or libertarian wins are purely hypothetical at this point.

As the baby boomers die away, hopefully the younger generation will vote for the party they believe in, not the lesser of two evils.

It's like my view of homeschooling. Rather than view the public school system as a sinking ship, why not try and fix it?

We need more legislation from the Federal level. One size fits all model would work greatly.

It's easier to rally a 2/3 majority to reform a party that takes up 1/2 of the vote than to move a party that gets 1-2% of the vote to its place. Hell, Americans have to be told by doctors not to eat themselves to death, trying to move them to a libertarian base on issues they can't even spell is a long shot at best.

The party doesn't necessarily have to grow, but the principals and ideas are growing daily. And the American public are finally seeing the hypocrisy from both parties.

The 2 party system can be ideal, it's just that the right side of the spectrum has gone haywire over the last decade and split into two groups. Fortunately for you, one of those groups is essentially libertarian in nature so roughly a third of your work is already done.


Huh? Democrats were always supporters ofpersonal liberties, but it's obvious that is
BS. And Republicans have always toted fiscal conservatism but it's obvious that is BS.
That's the beauty of voting for a 3rd party, the take the good of both and leave the rest. What are the chances of a 3rd party ever reaching the white house? Probably never, but that won't stop me from voting for what I believe in.


This.

If it were up to me, I'd abolish the party system period. No private funding of candidates. Everyone gets the same amount and they have to stand on their issues.

If it weren't for gerrymandering in states like MD where you can only vote in your party's primary, I think you'd rapidly see "independent" listed as the #1 affiliation in the US once the baby boomers die off.

As for the firearms. I lost them all in a boating accident yesterday. Tragic.
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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

You can, but both parties are going to continue to dominate for the forseeable future. Any independent or libertarian wins are purely hypothetical at this point.

As the baby boomers die away, hopefully the younger generation will vote for the party they believe in, not the lesser of two evils.

It's like my view of homeschooling. Rather than view the public school system as a sinking ship, why not try and fix it?

We need more legislation from the Federal level. One size fits all model would work greatly.

It's easier to rally a 2/3 majority to reform a party that takes up 1/2 of the vote than to move a party that gets 1-2% of the vote to its place. Hell, Americans have to be told by doctors not to eat themselves to death, trying to move them to a libertarian base on issues they can't even spell is a long shot at best.

The party doesn't necessarily have to grow, but the principals and ideas are growing daily. And the American public are finally seeing the hypocrisy from both parties.

The 2 party system can be ideal, it's just that the right side of the spectrum has gone haywire over the last decade and split into two groups. Fortunately for you, one of those groups is essentially libertarian in nature so roughly a third of your work is already done.


Huh? Democrats were always supporters of personal liberties, but it's obvious that is
BS. And Republicans have always toted fiscal conservatism but it's obvious that is BS.
That's the beauty of voting for a 3rd party, the take the good of both and leave the rest. What are the chances of a 3rd party ever reaching the white house? Probably never, but that won't stop me from voting for what I believe in.

Edit: My solution to the school issue was sarcastic, didn't want to test any meters.

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You can, but both parties are going to continue to dominate for the forseeable future. Any independent or libertarian wins are purely hypothetical at this point.

It's like my view of homeschooling. Rather than view the public school system as a sinking ship, why not try and fix it?

It's easier to rally a 2/3 majority to reform a party that takes up 1/2 of the vote than to move a party that gets 1-2% of the vote to its place. Hell, Americans have to be told by doctors not to eat themselves to death, trying to move them to a libertarian base on issues they can't even spell is a long shot at best.

The 2 party system can be ideal, it's just that the right side of the spectrum has gone haywire over the last decade and split into two groups. Fortunately for you, one of those groups is essentially libertarian in nature so roughly a third of your work is already done.
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Or vote for a party that believes in personal liberties.
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Yeah Obama won't accomplish anything under his term, much less gun control. The Republicans are all on full assault mode until 2016.

That said, I think the AWB is inevitable. I think that mandatory registration is inevitable. Confiscation is a huge likelihood over time, but I don't see it in our lifetimes barring a full on economic collapse / Marshall law situation, which I find quite unlikely but let's not start that argument.

The trouble here is that the only reason the Republican Party is so outspoken about 2nd amendment rights at the moment is to give Obama a political death by a thousand cuts, and by hurting Obama they hurt Democrats in general in 2016.

But after 2016, it's all a grey area to me. Romney had my support until the last debate where he declared his intentions to reinstate the AWB. It was at the point I realized that the Republican Party has such a similar agenda to that of the Democrats that they were having trouble even debating on the topic.

So unless we see a full breakdown and rebuild of the Republican Party, we're going to continue to see foolhardy legislation like the AWB that only affects hobbyists instead of crime statistics.
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I don't believe the Obama administration will get anywhere with gun control. Although I think there will be this debate every twelve years or so for the forseeable future. Even if AR15s are banned there will never be "enough" gun control. 

I say every twelve years, assuming that Republicans/Democrats switch every eight years, and the Dems go after guns in their second terms.
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Soon you guys are going to end up like us. This list would make some of you cry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Canada#Classification_of_firearms
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Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Your shotgun was used to kill 12 people in DC. Your deer rifle is a sniper rifle. And that 1911 is a weapon designed for the military and uses a military cartridge.


Exactly this. There are too man people saying "so long as they don't take MY guns they can take the XXXXX guns".

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No, I agree with you guys completely,

My point is that I'm one individual-I vote, I voice my opinion, but at the end of the day I have just the power of one vote. If a politician is elected by a majority vote who deems it necessary to take my gun, any action I take will involve money and lots of people to be effective.

In other words, dying for you gun is an unnecessary pipe dream. We live in the era of drones and GPS not flintlocks and compasses. Just because some sticks a flashlight and a foregrip on their AR doesn't mean they can suddenly take down the US government. Yet more and more people refuse to participate in politics or educate because if Obama comes after their gun, dammit he'll get a firefight.

It's not only foolish, it's detrimental to the case in general. So under the hypothetical situation proposed, yes, I'll hand over my guns. I'm not taking a prison sentence or a bullet for literally no reason.
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Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Your shotgun was used to kill 12 people in DC. Your deer rifle is a sniper rifle. And that 1911 is a weapon designed for the military and uses a military cartridge.


Exactly this. There are too man people saying "so long as they don't take MY guns they can take the XXXXX guns".

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Your shotgun was used to kill 12 people in DC. Your deer rifle is a sniper rifle. And that 1911 is a weapon designed for the military and uses a military cartridge.
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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

Yeah, the ammo storing fad around here annoys the piss out of me. For starters, all these people storing guns and ammo so they can take out the troops Obama is sending to get said guns and ammo are complete morons. There are people who genuinely would die to keep their weapon and that mentality astounds me. If they come for my AK or Glock tomorrow I'd still like to live to see my future children be born, thanks.
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<span style="line-height: 1.4;">I know it's hyperbole, but it's an thing to think about hypothetically. I'm not sure how I'd react if someone made an announcement that people were coming by to collect everyone's firearms. 

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Yeah, I can definitely see not WANTING to give up your weapons, and I can certainly see fighting legally to keep them. But I see this like all the martyrdom talk from Christians-it's one thing to mentally assess an unlikely situation or theorize a reaction, it's another to continually plan and obsess over it.

People tend to read outlandish scenarios into mundane stories. The truth is, were gun confiscated to become a reality, shooting at cops would make you both a news story and casualty statistic. They'd plan on the occasional nut with an assault rifle taking shots at them and act accordingly. And by accordingly, I mean they'd kill him.

I'd surrender my registered guns, but my heirlooms I might hide. But bear in mind if you keep a weapon for self defense in light of a confiscation scenario you're staring at an inevitable 30 year prison sentence anyway. You'll be sentenced if they catch you and you'll be sentenced if you use it.

I certainly wouldn't take drastic, life altering steps to preserve my government classified assault weapon. If I've still got my 12 guage and my 1911 I can live a perfectly happy life without my hicap mags and automatic rifles.

Besides, America has to accomplish things as a vocal majority. Being the one dude shooting at cops / agents won't get you any where except dead.
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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

Yeah, the ammo storing fad around here annoys the piss out of me. For starters, all these people storing guns and ammo so they can take out the troops Obama is sending to get said guns and ammo are complete morons. There are people who genuinely would die to keep their weapon and that mentality astounds me. If they come for my AK or Glock tomorrow I'd still like to live to see my future children be born, thanks.



I know it's hyperbole, but it's an thing to think about hypothetically. I'm not sure how I'd react if someone made an announcement that people were coming by to collect everyone's firearms. 

I think I'd probably just have lost them recently in a rafting accident up north.
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I learned after 2008. So I started buying by the case. This guy is local. http://www.unammo.com
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