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    Posted: 12 August 2013 at 10:22am
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20110828/NEWS/108280315/Pistols-shot-replacing-M9

Debate rages over the replacement.

Given the wide range of experience with firearms that we have here- I'm interested to see what you guys would think is a good successor.

I'm partial to the M&P myself. Of all the different models we had on the range during recruit raining, the 5 of us with M&Ps had no trouble at all, while the Glock armorers were replacing parts left and right.

I thought this would be a good little discussion. it's been a bit dusty in here lately.




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I would like to see the M&P. The idea of some of these kids running around with glocks is downright terrifying.
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Originally posted by Eville Eville wrote:

I would like to see the M&P. The idea of some of these kids running around with glocks is downright terrifying.

That. Was never a fan of the M9.
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I am a huge fan of Glock, but I'd rather see them get something with an external safety other than one on the trigger.
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Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeh. I don't think it really matters. How many people, in the last 10 years the USA has been at war, were killed with an M9?

Unloaded an M9 weighs in at 33oz. A M&P 9 at 24oz, the M&P 45 at 24.25oz. Now I suppose that is close to a 1/3 weigh saving but really?

I think a Glock would work, as the guys who would carry one up are the sort you can trust not to shoot themselves. The others would be mag in/empty chamber as they are now anyway.

I like the M&P and I think it is a nicer gun than the Glock, but I think it is much of a muchness. The Glock tips the scale at 22oz.

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I doubt you'll see Glock get the contract due to the lack of an external safety.

I honestly don't know why we wouldn't look at a newer version of a proven (and significantly less expensive) design like the Hi-Power.
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1911.

Had to say it.

I'm thinking it will be a Sig in whatever model a 40 226 is. I'm more partial to the M&P myself, but I think the lack of external hammer and plastic frame will disqualify it.

Although the M16 is doing well still.
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Why would you need an external hammer?
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Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:



Why would you need an external hammer?


Safety issues. The DoD picks their weapons based on the LCD. If private Pyle is less likely to accidentally discharge with one weapon vs another, they're going with the one that is less likely to accidentally discharge.

The Army prefers weapons that have external safeties and external hammers for that reason. If you carry a loaded striker-fired weapon, you have more of a chance of accidentally discharging vs carrying a external hammer in the down position with the safety/pin blocker engaged.
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Believe me, I get the whole safety thing and I'm all for it.  I just don't see how an external hammer makes a weapon more safe.  
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I don't see the DOD picking Sig for such a large purchase, too much $$$ for big Army. 

FNH already makes a large percentage of the military's small arms, and their handguns are relatively inexpensive. They have versions both with and without the external safety and are as simple as the Glocks/M&Ps of the world. Wouldn't be surprised to see them go that direction.
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I've read that the army went M9 over 226 because of a few dollars per handgun..

Some double stack 1911 in 40 would be cool.
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I've never been a Berretta fan. They're a great, affordable pistol but I find their slide / sight layout doesn't have that "pick it up and shoot" feel that the modern polymer guns have.

Otherwise, Kayback said everything I was thinking.
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Why are they dumping the M9? Because Beretta decided to leave their communist state and manufacturer somewhere else?
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The M9 was not well received or liked very much when we got them in 2nd AAV Bn back in 88-89. Most SNCO's/NCO's and officer's preferred carrying the "out dated slab side .45". 
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The M-16 is a POS, and older than the M9. Why are they deciding to ditch the M9 now? A weapon that not everyone carries, in a military with officers are being forced to retire.

Sounds like someone is getting a kickback.
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The Army budget is a tricky beast. It's not just one big pot of cash, it's a bunch of smaller ones that can't share with each other. The salary pot is separate drone the guns pot.
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I hope lots of cheap M9 mags flood the market. Could always use more range mags for my XD9
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Originally posted by Eville Eville wrote:

I would like to see the M&P. The idea of some of these kids running around with glocks is downright terrifying.


As someone who is pretty much as out of the loop as you can be on firearms, what part is the scary part? Quality, safety, etc? Just curious for more insight/ being informed about the pros and cons.
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