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    Posted: 20 May 2013 at 10:52am
Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Got called into the Academy Director's office tonight.

Took a rare win! Someone acknowledged the foul up and is issuing refunds to those of who are sponsored and sworn. That refund is going to the respective departments, and sent BACK to the college from them, qualifying us for the tuition break.

So I'm no longer on the hook for another 2K. The killer is, if I hadn't raised hell about it, nobody would have said anything, and the college would have walked away with the extra tuition money from the three of us, since the other two already paid the tuition in full.

It was a strange thing to hear the AD tell me "You were right." and lay out the situation exactly as I wanted it to go.





As I said, it was probably a test. Something tells me you're going to wind up on the IA squad due to your fine internal whistle-blowing skillz! ;)

Good job sticking to your guns buddy! Glad to hear it all worked out.


I don't think the people I'm dealing with are coordinated enough to orchestrate a test of that magnitude. I'd like to think they WERE, but in all likelihood, it was more like:

A. College 'left out' the pertinant information in an attempt to collect 6K more in tuition money
B. An actual error in communication somewhere along the line.

If it WAS a test, I went ahead and cheesed off a few people who probably didn't know anything about it.
As for working IA, that's never a permanent placement anyway, and you get assigned there for 'x' amount of time, because nobody wants it. Up to and including me.




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Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Got called into the Academy Director's office tonight.

Took a rare win! Someone acknowledged the foul up and is issuing refunds to those of who are sponsored and sworn. That refund is going to the respective departments, and sent BACK to the college from them, qualifying us for the tuition break.

So I'm no longer on the hook for another 2K. The killer is, if I hadn't raised hell about it, nobody would have said anything, and the college would have walked away with the extra tuition money from the three of us, since the other two already paid the tuition in full.

It was a strange thing to hear the AD tell me "You were right." and lay out the situation exactly as I wanted it to go.





As I said, it was probably a test. Something tells me you're going to wind up on the IA squad due to your fine internal whistle-blowing skillz! ;)

Good job sticking to your guns buddy! Glad to hear it all worked out.
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I think the other two recruits OWE you big.  You at least deserve "motorboat" priveleges upon request from the female.
 


Hey, he's a rebel, he lives on the edge . . . he doesn't care who he has the motorboat privileges from.


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Congrats on the victory. Shake some hands. Let 'em know you appreciate the acknowledgement that there was a mess up. Subliminal butt kissery is the best butt kissery.

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Originally posted by StormyKnight StormyKnight wrote:



I think the other two recruits OWE you big.  You at least deserve "motorboat" priveleges upon request from the female.
 


Hey, he's a rebel, he lives on the edge . . . he doesn't care who he has the motorboat privileges from.
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Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Got called into the Academy Director's office tonight.

Took a rare win! Someone acknowledged the foul up and is issuing refunds to those of who are sponsored and sworn. That refund is going to the respective departments, and sent BACK to the college from them, qualifying us for the tuition break.

So I'm no longer on the hook for another 2K. The killer is, if I hadn't raised hell about it, nobody would have said anything, and the college would have walked away with the extra tuition money from the three of us, since the other two already paid the tuition in full.

It was a strange thing to hear the AD tell me "You were right." and lay out the situation exactly as I wanted it to go.

I think the other two recruits OWE you big.  You at least deserve "motorboat" priveleges upon request from the female.
 
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The costs of ya'lls academy in general shocks me. I can't believe they charge sponsored recruits anything other than uniform costs. 

Hope it all works out for you though Reb. 
I dunno.  My buddy had to pay $3000 for his academy 20 years ago AND he had to pay for his equipment (boots, belt(s), keepers, holsters for pistol, gas and cuffs).  The only thing he didn't have to pay for was the vest.  In some respects, I still kick myself for screwing up one of the best shots at getting into the academy for free.  The local department was so desperate to get recruits, I was going to go for free and at starting pay of $15/hr.  If I hadn't messed up the dummy drag, I'd have made it to the academy.  But, in hindsite after seeing what happened in that department, I'm glad I didn't make it.
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Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

1,500 rounds is a lot to store?

In NY, its probably a Class D Felony.


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Got called into the Academy Director's office tonight.

Took a rare win! Someone acknowledged the foul up and is issuing refunds to those of who are sponsored and sworn. That refund is going to the respective departments, and sent BACK to the college from them, qualifying us for the tuition break.

So I'm no longer on the hook for another 2K. The killer is, if I hadn't raised hell about it, nobody would have said anything, and the college would have walked away with the extra tuition money from the three of us, since the other two already paid the tuition in full.

It was a strange thing to hear the AD tell me "You were right." and lay out the situation exactly as I wanted it to go.



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Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

1,500 rounds is a lot to store?

In NY, its probably a Class D Felony.


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1,500 rounds is a lot to store?
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They supply ammo for training? That's awesome. Our department can't even supply the ammo for us, its all out of pocket...hell it took them over a YEAR to requisition service ammo. I think right now for Phase 2, I have more ammo ready for me than my sponsoring department even has. But again, I lucked out with my uh...contact being able to give me most of what I need, although he's holding it for me for now. I don't need it, and I don't want that much ammo stacked in the house for right now.

We also need a bunch of shotgun ammunition which I need to start buying. Thankfully, the dept. is going to loan us the shotgun we need because I told them flat out that I wasn't buying one like I did the sidearm, that was just moronic.




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Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

The costs of ya'lls academy in general shocks me. I can't believe they charge sponsored recruits anything other than uniform costs. 

Hope it all works out for you though Reb. 


Since its college tuition for a 30 credit hour course, therein lies the major cost.
Atop of that though, are the uniform and gear expenditures, which ran close to $500.

Phase II can get expensive too, depending on the department. Some departments will issue a firearm, I had to buy mine (subject to reimbursement after hiring) And you need a vest ($$$, but I was given one.)

Did I mention the 1500 rounds of ammo for practice/qualification?

Yeah, it all stacks up, but the help you guys gave me in the beginning, and the gear/ammo that I was given by family and friends on the job ate a lot of my additional cost. 

I guess it's just a baseline difference in education costs there vs. here.

Our tuition cost is 1300, but sponsorships work differently here. If an agency sends you to an academy through a sponsorship, the state pays for your tuition, not the department. My uniforms/books cost about a thousand total, but it still doesn't come close to your costs. 

I was lucky, though, to be sent to an academy that supplies the ammunition for firearms training. A friend of mine is in the academy about 45 minutes north of me, and had to pay for all of his own. 
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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

The costs of ya'lls academy in general shocks me. I can't believe they charge sponsored recruits anything other than uniform costs. 

Hope it all works out for you though Reb. 


Since its college tuition for a 30 credit hour course, therein lies the major cost.
Atop of that though, are the uniform and gear expenditures, which ran close to $500.

Phase II can get expensive too, depending on the department. Some departments will issue a firearm, I had to buy mine (subject to reimbursement after hiring) And you need a vest ($$$, but I was given one.)

Did I mention the 1500 rounds of ammo for practice/qualification?

Yeah, it all stacks up, but the help you guys gave me in the beginning, and the gear/ammo that I was given by family and friends on the job ate a lot of my additional cost. 


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The costs of ya'lls academy in general shocks me. I can't believe they charge sponsored recruits anything other than uniform costs. 

Hope it all works out for you though Reb. 
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Whelp, I rattled the balls out of some cages.

I contacted a very close friend of mine who works in the accounts office at another college, and he not only gave me some advice, but HE called the college as well.

I emailed the lady in the SA office, and she didn't bother to reply to me, just send my email along to one of the advisers there who is setting up a meeting with me and one of the academy directors to discuss the matter. Two members of our department have contacted the office as well.

On an interesting note, I found my copy of the hand-written notes that the chief took when she was on the phone with someone, which clearly state $2100 for sworn.
AND a copy of the letter that the department had me sign stating that I acknowledged that I was sworn and sponsored, and would be responsible for the costs of the academy....which based on those notes...was $2100.

So, I'm not going into this meeting unarmed. My only fear is, that since one of the academy directors is going to be there, that they're setting me up for failure since as a recruit I'm not going to come out and argue with one of the people who holds my future at the academy in his hands. I don't know if thats what it'll come to, but they may know that if he starts to put a bit of weight on me, I'm going to have to squirm.

The kicker is, that I'm fighting this fight for three of us, and the other two are completely mute on the matter. One shut up and paid is, and the other is scrambling around to find the funds so SHE can pay it too without getting into trouble. I'm the only one left saber rattling, and its becoming a matter of principal more than money.

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Welcome to public service....promise the moon, and then forget the cheese (ask someone on the force the definition of 'cheese', then you will get it.)

Your options are few, you have the bag in hand, empty of course, and the department will not be in a hurry to put anything in it, nature of small town politics, someone somewhere forgot to ask someone to do something somewhere else.

Having dealt with VA delays in payments to college for myself and step-kids, they don't want to hear it, you need a formal 'letter' generated based on your understanding of the original offer, go to the city/county funding organization (county or city council will usually work). MY guess is you are out another 2K and need to pray you get reimbursed after this fiasco is settled.
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