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    Posted: 22 April 2013 at 4:54pm
Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:



They are not enemy combatants as we are not in a state of war or armed conflict with their parent country.  So, no, they should not be treated as "enemy combatants".  It would be more appropriate to charge/treat them as a-holes. 


Don't tell the rednecks on Facebook this.

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I'd rather see him convicted as an American and then put into general population.
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They are not enemy combatants as we are not in a state of war or armed conflict with their parent country.  So, no, they should not be treated as "enemy combatants".  It would be more appropriate to charge/treat them as a-holes. 
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Many people have what psychologist would call altruism. We have an innate want to help others. These people just acted upon it because it is instinct and the people that got the help will be forever grateful.

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Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

I'm not doubting that people will run to help, but we should inform people to step back and wait till the area is* secure.


Maybe it's because I grew up in South Africa in the 80's but I'm perfectly aware of the risk involved.

That would not stop me helping. A risk is just that, it is not definite.

Everything you do, including swallowing food, is risky. Accept it and drive on. If everyone is afraid to enter a dangerous situation you'll never get any emergency service.

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Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Not sure why people are praising those who ran into the kill zone, before it was secure.
The first rule is always 'do no harm', to others or yourself.  Yet, when a situation happens where people are in a fire, bad accident or the boston bombing, sometimes people move into action regardless of their own safety.  It might seem foolish, or easy to comment on a forum when none here can say, 'I was there so they were stupid', but I find it remarkable and I am in awe of those that do in these situations.  I bet the families of those helped would differ with you.
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I'm not doubting that people will run to help, but we should inform people to step back and wait till the area is* secure.

Back on the miranda rights. Should he be tried as a enemy combatant?

Edited by impulse418 - 21 April 2013 at 6:50pm
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Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Not sure why people are praising those who ran into the kill zone, before it was secure.
There is always the chance of follow on attacks, or first responder targeted attacks.

It does not invalidate people being willing and able to help those in need. Even at the expense of danger to themselves.

How would it have been worse if another bomb had gone off? The death toll would have been up from 3 to 6?

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Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:

Not sure why people keep feeding the trolls. 
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Not sure why people keep feeding the trolls. 
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Not sure why people are praising those who ran into the kill zone, before it was secure.
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Unfortunately I don't if it's possible to live in a world where nothing like this could happen again. The control a government would have to exert over citizens and society would be so over policed and scrutinized that it would suffocate you. Even then, would we ever really be safe from events like this? I like the post that Patton Oswalt made, kind of sums up how I feel

"Boston. ******* horrible. 

I remember, when 9/11 went down, my reaction was, "Well, I've had it with humanity."

But I was wrong. I don't know what's going to be revealed to be behind all of this mayhem. One human insect or a poisonous mass of broken sociopaths. 

But here's what I DO know. If it's one person or a HUNDRED people, that number is not even a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the population on this planet. You watch the videos of the carnage and there are people running TOWARDS the destruction to help out. (Thanks FAKE Gallery founder and owner Paul Kozlowski for pointing this out to me). This is a giant planet and we're lucky to live on it but there are prices and penalties incurred for the daily miracle of existence. One of them is, every once in awhile, the wiring of a tiny sliver of the species gets snarled and they're pointed towards darkness. 

But the vast majority stands against that darkness and, like white blood cells attacking a virus, they dilute and weaken and eventually wash away the evil doers and, more importantly, the damage they wreak. This is beyond religion or creed or nation. We would not be here if humanity were inherently evil. We'd have eaten ourselves alive long ago. 

So when you spot violence, or bigotry, or intolerance or fear or just garden-variety misogyny, hatred or ignorance, just look it in the eye and think, "The good outnumber you, and we always will."
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Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Banning
     of all explosives, propellants and anything chemical that can potentially
     be made into a bomb. Such as black powder, smokeless power, fertilizer,
     primers etc etc. Farmers will still be able to fertilize their crops, but
     this task will be handled by the government




You do realize this would mean banning things like flour as well? All propane/butane/LPG would also be banned.

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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

The suspect wasn't read Miranda rights. Now that's what I'm talking about!

Hopefully he's tried in a military court.

You do know when Miranda rights are read, correct? The guy was bleeding out, and in critical condition, why did he need to be read his rights?


Before questioning. He seemed to be in pretty stable condition, who knows how fast they started the questioning.

I wondered if he kept his mouth shut, and lawyered up.

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"A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately without having Miranda rights issued to him."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/boston-bomb-suspect-captured-alive-backyard-boat/story?id=18994511&#.UXJ1nVu8iM_


The public safety exception is pretty precise concerning what it applies to. Considering the number of bombs/weapons/etc. these guys had, it makes sense for them to question him about potentially missed devices without waiting for him to be appointed a lawyer.


Its exactly the same sort of situation as if there had been a victim buried alive in a back yard or some other time-sensitive situation. The public safety exception really sort of makes sense. Having someone be able to clam up if it means the deaths of one or many others is a pretty sour move.




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I feel when this nation is in a state of emergency. All non official social media accounts, should be disabled from being able to post.

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Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

The suspect wasn't read Miranda rights. Now that's what I'm talking about!

Hopefully he's tried in a military court.

You do know when Miranda rights are read, correct? The guy was bleeding out, and in critical condition, why did he need to be read his rights?


Before questioning. He seemed to be in pretty stable condition, who knows how fast they started the questioning.

I wondered if he kept his mouth shut, and lawyered up.

Edit: Quote and link

"A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately without having Miranda rights issued to him."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/boston-bomb-suspect-captured-alive-backyard-boat/story?id=18994511&#.UXJ1nVu8iM_


The public safety exception is pretty precise concerning what it applies to. Considering the number of bombs/weapons/etc. these guys had, it makes sense for them to question him about potentially missed devices without waiting for him to be appointed a lawyer.
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I'm curious if the guy was unarmed, or so completely out of it that he didn't fight back when he was in the boat.

Also, I could totally see them finding an AR15 and Barack/the media uses it to shove some stupid awb again.

Also, I really hate the conspiracy theories
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Haha, the poor man and his beloved boat.

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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

The suspect wasn't read Miranda rights. Now that's what I'm talking about!

Hopefully he's tried in a military court.

You do know when Miranda rights are read, correct? The guy was bleeding out, and in critical condition, why did he need to be read his rights?


Before questioning. He seemed to be in pretty stable condition, who knows how fast they started the questioning.

I wondered if he kept his mouth shut, and lawyered up.

Edit: Quote and link

"A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately without having Miranda rights issued to him."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/boston-bomb-suspect-captured-alive-backyard-boat/story?id=18994511&#.UXJ1nVu8iM_


Edited by impulse418 - 20 April 2013 at 7:04am
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