Near Future & Gun Control

agentwhale007 wrote: SSOK wrote: Whale, what is your simplified, few sentences, view on firearms ownership?  I'm not really sure I've got such a thing. Complicated issues don't work well when simplified down.

BARREL BREAK wrote:   SSOK wrote: want to take away a constitutional right. If you care to read the article I posted earlier, or this newer one, there is very little merit to the idea that the second amendment works the way you think it does. e: Newer, shorter, and far less in depth...

Edited by SSOK - 22 December 2012 at 10:31pm

 

SSOK wrote: want to take away a constitutional right.

If you care to read the article I posted earlier, or this newer one, there is very little merit to the idea that the second amendment works the way you think it does.

e: Newer, shorter, and far less in depth...

Edited by BARREL BREAK - 22 December 2012 at 10:11pm

 I am a Canadian citizen and therefore cannot vote in the US. Had I been able to, I would have voted for Jill Stein, though I'm not particularly enthused about her.  

Edited by BARREL BREAK - 22 December 2012 at 10:00pm

oldsoldier wrote: What ever happened to the 'Big Brother' fear of George Bush? The current admins attack on privicy makes Bush's plan look like a half arsed attempt.

Still here and still against it, Obama has continued and expanded on the Bush admin's assault on liberty. 

What ever happened to the 'Big Brother' fear of George Bush? The current admins attack on privicy makes Bush's plan look like a half arsed attempt.

Wait, a 'law abiding' citizen within the vast majority ogf motor vehicle operators and owners...say it ain't so. But how do we control the others that don't obey the law, what can we 'ban' to make them comply?

Just as prohibition made alcohol 'illegal' and banned, how well did that work, and why did it not work?
Speed limits are the law and everyone of you flaunt those laws almost daily.
We can go on, and the comman denominator in why these laws all failed is?

If man is intent on breaking a law for whatever purpose he will, you make more laws, man just finds a justifacation to break them in his/her own mind.

Whale, do you speed, can your driving at excessive speed over the posted legal speed lead to a potential death of an innocent? And your justifacation for that illegal act is? But the 'law' is clear with the posted speed limit.

You 'ban' a series of weapons in the US, all you do is establish another 'black' market where the 'criminal' elements control the access, aquisition, and price, just like prohibition with alcohol, and current drug laws the 'product' will always be available. I can purchase an illegal full auto weapon any time I choose, or a RPG, simple trip to NYC, and where I know that they are probably still for sale,it is not 'they are banned' the question is how many and for what price.

Linus wrote:  Waiting periods are all but useless once someone already owns a gun

impulse418 wrote: That's the great thing about having states. They can decide whether they want strict gun laws or not. CT has pretty strict laws, and still didn't stop this. There is no need for any more federal intervention. Leave it up to the states. They can look at different states, and decide what model they want. Don't like the laws, move to another state. Whole lot easier than moving to another country.

And that's my issue with the Fed as of late. Too much intrusion. The Constitution was very clear at what the job was of the federal government... protection from foreign enemies, and controlling foreign affairs. Everything else was pretty much to be left up to the states (Hello, 10th amendment clearly says that).   But alas, more and more dems are trying to use the federal government to get in on the daily lives of people.




As for gun laws... why do you (whale) keep mentioning waiting periods? Waiting periods are all but useless once someone already owns a gun insofar as dems say "It prevents rash decisions by making someone wait a few days before they can get the gun". Sorry, if I already own a gun, why would waiting 7-30 more days prevent me from going on a shooting rampage?