Who voted?

I never lost faith in American's to vote for thier own self interest. Since the government is trending more for dependance, of course the states with the more culture of dependancy trends voted the way they did.

We had a glimmer of hope, as the red far out colored the map of the US, except for the dependant cultures of our large metros. Even here in Nebraska all but parts of Omaha and Lincoln went R, and ewhat parts of Omaha and Lincoln went D, the dependant areas and the areas around the universities.

I may not be around for 2016, reality, my concern was for my grandchildren who are eventually going to pay for today's fiscal fiasco's and how Democrats seem to have no problem with that, as they are getting thiers now. The Fischer/Kerry battle here in Nebraska was telling of the mood of the country, the hostility between the camps a micro representation of the National feeling.

We have four more years of battles, there will be no peace, nor co-operation between the parties as each no focuses on the mid terms in 2014, and the repeat fiasco of 2016. Since Obama no longer has to worry about re-election (unless the rules are changed, don't put it past em) maybe he can move to the center and maybe pretend he is not the 'smartest' man in the room in any debate on getting things done.

And on the tax hike thing, how many think the promise of no tax increases on the middle class will happen, or will the current tax rates expire and yes, the middle class gets a tax hike in January. That alone should get the average middle class voters attention.

The past is fixed and can not change, all you can hope to do is change the future...pretty simple concept, except for those too caught up in the now, and what is in it for them.

BTW the Social Security issue was a boondoggle from the Democrats (LBJ) who willingly opened and raided the lock box circa 1964. BTW SS was originally designed as a temptoray fix during the Depression, not designed to be the sole income retirement plan many of your think it is. It is a suppliment as designed.

Only part of my generation ran on the coat tails, others of us tried in vain to assist the peoples of the world to get out from under the government troops during the day, and the guerillas of the night. And the current crop of "Arab Spring" regimes this administration assisted make the Contra's look like chiorboys, and the Contra's were designed to go away, the Arab/Muslim extremist is going to be around far longer and self generating for generations, unlike the old Soviets, and guerilla movements of South America.

Like I said, the past is fixed, the current is screwed, the future is the only hope.

Edited by oldsoldier - 07 November 2012 at 9:07am

tallen702 wrote: Two words: Tort Reform Without it, you will never, ever, ever see health care costs reach a reasonable level.

I'd also like to know where FE was getting $20/month health insurance for his employees 20 years ago? When I got my first "real job" 20 years or so ago, the company I was working for had to pay about $200 or so per month for my insurance and I was a early 20's male in good health.

Holy crap.... I thanked impulse twice in a row?!?!

I mean, unless I'm really, really, really a lightweight (had one glass of the Captain's Private Stock last night) I don't think so. I think we may just agree on some stuff.... weird... Next thing you know, the country isn't going to disintegrate in just 4 years due to the actions of one single solitary man. Pandemonium I say!

impulse418 wrote: I think we agree on a lot more thing than you think. But the way I explain my opinions in a somewhat intellectual and more mature way, is definitely a driving factor.

I'll agree to that. I think we have a little bit of a division where regulation is concerned (I believe there are certain industries that NEED regulation and others that need to be deregulated) but I think our overall leanings are fairly centrist with a healthy dose of "keep your nose out of my private life."

That's a long ways away. 

oldpbnoob wrote: I'd also like to know where FE was getting $20/month health insurance for his employees 20 years ago? When I got my first "real job" 20 years or so ago, the company I was working for had to pay about $200 or so per month for my insurance and I was a early 20's male in good health.

Faith healing is cheap. The $20 a month was just him tipping jesus for coming in and healing their ailments on the spot. If it can work for his arm, it can work for his company.