Waiting on CWP to come in. Need advice.

impulse418 wrote: Another caliber war. Awesome.

Its the new snipers exist/don't exist debate.

impulse418 wrote: Another caliber war. Awesome.

Yep. 
Tolgak, do any of your friends have a pistol or two you could try out? look for something that you like, feels comfortable, easy for you to handle but mostly your ability to hit what you are aiming for with that pistol.  Glock is a well respected brand and has been said to be the most reliable, Smith and Wesson make some great pistols as well.  I hear good things and have read good things about the XD series as well.  What ever you decide to get, take some classes and practice often, two or three times a month with it.  And remember it is a very last option, avoid a situation whenever possible.

oldsoldier wrote: Yep, immediately NYPD after the Army, then applied and accepted US Marshal Service, worked transportation of pre-trial and convicted inmates from Stewart Airport/FCI Otisville in New York, then after the 'burn out' drove a truck. Fun life.

I'm a revolver aficionado, but I feel that a .38 LSWCHP +P does a good enough job. That being said, I'd be happy carrying a 6" Python or 586 with .357 on tap.

Yea was a part time bouncer out here in Nebraska, Strip club off I-80 in Waverly, I was the guy who escorted the girls to thier cars to go home without the drunks chasin them, did door and 'cleanup' now and then. My 'motivator' was a pair of 6in vice grips with jaws set to about 1in when clamped. Come up to Joe Badarse, clamp that vice grib in the groin or inner thigh, and assisted his tip toe to the door. Never started nor lost in a nose to nose, age and decietfullness. outweighs youth and enthusiasim everytime.

NYC had the .357/9mm arguement when came time to replace the service .38 revolvers, we ended up with a combination of S&W and Glocks 9mm's, understand they are going to .40S&W. Marshall servise issued me a S&W 659 9mm POS. Got permission to carry M1911 as primary, with light loads.

It is still a matter of preference as a back up piece and CCW. Situations and need in NYC drove me to the .22, a controlable backup and convienient to hide and retrieve. For some (me) it worked and I was confident enough to stay with the .22LR for reasons I have given.
In your situation, differant demand, and personal preference. As a police or military primary service weapon, of course .22 not suitable,(USAF does issue an aircrew survival rifle in .22 still) but as a back up ankle gun the smaller framed .22's are perfect.

I do shoot center mass if and when situation demands, again that UC diliberate miss incident was a need to preserve the operation against the main target, not lose the UC status in a shooting review of a street punk. I have shot 'bad guys', and have been shot, not fun either way, still here, so I must of been doing something right all these years.

For what I do that Umarex stuff does great in the 10/22, and the Model 21. Does have feed issues in other .22 so I have heard.

impulse418 wrote: Another caliber war. Awesome.

agentwhale007 wrote: impulse418 wrote: Another caliber war. Awesome. Glad to see it looks as silly to the gun nut as it does to the person who doesn't care at all about guns.

No question. Like anything else, there's merits to each side, the other just refuses to recognize it.

Wait.....that's a common theme lately isn't it?

Usually a criminal shooter on a drug is not going to act in a way where his accuracy is enhanced, more than not he will not be able to focus effectivelty. Again the object of the exercise in mose cases is disengagement.

It is what you are comfortable in your own mind with, and the situations you feel you will face. Most amatuers will exagerate the threat and potentials, where a more seasoned cop understands the situation he/she may face on the street. According to statistics most armed 'street' situations is the quick 'hold up' show a gun or shape of gun in pocket, scare the victim to comply, and leave sceen as fast as possible. The armed criminal is more into scaring than shooting, again the criminal also thinks about repercussions if and when caught. A nickle to dime for armed robbery, or 25 to life for a shooting.

Since we do not have an armed opposition like South Africa roaming around (except along Texas/Arizona Mexican border) the chance of an armed situation is slim, better chance getting struck by lightning.
I read on some blog that the US farmers along Mexican Border are going more to Scoped .30cal bolters for long range accuracy over close range needs. The Mini 30 is almost a standard for dual purpose. And of course the .45LC revolvers seem to be the norm. Again it is preferance and need, urban short range over desert long range engagements.

First round would be a "pass through" round, least damage to the person shot, depending on shot placement of course... I carry one in the chamber so that is my "warning" shot. If I pull my gun out, it is to use it, not to "aim to miss" but, if I'm being attacked, I figure one shot that lets them change their mind before the next three hollow points start flying. Hollow points do so much more damage than a regular round tip bullet.