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I really doubt it's a breech of employee contract to make an off the cuff remark about marijuana.
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To condone the use of an illegal drug, sexual advances, pedophilia. all completely legit stuff.

Do your own experiment. At your next company meeting stand up in front of the entire team and let everyone know how great smoking dope is.Be sure that the ceo is there.



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Originally posted by Lightningbolt Lightningbolt wrote:

To condone the use of an illegal drug, sexual advances, pedophilia. all completely legit stuff.

Do your own experiment. At your next company meeting stand up in front of the entire team and let everyone know how great illegal drugs are.Be sure that the ceo is there and be sure to encourage others to indulge.

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You've seen the contract?
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I don't need to. I could easily ensure that these instances would be real bad by going to the president of the school and my friends brother that owns about twelve television stations.
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If this is such an extreme injustice that is ruining society, then why don't you?  
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This phone is so uncooperative. It's never too late.

I have a couple of different ways I could deal with this.I'll keep you posted on the two instructors that hit on my wife.

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I guess I don't understand the point you're trying to make anymore. You've moved on from liberalism to moral degradation to professors hitting on your wife.

It sounds like you had a bad school experience and you're somehow reflecting that on the system in general. Someone hitting on your wife =/= the moral degradation of society. I've never had a professor who endorsed pedophilia, never had one who made sexual comments, etc, and I've had roughly 20 or 25 professors thus far.

And seriously, my dad's the only person I know who still refers to marijuana as dope.
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There's a whole lot of "get off my lawn" in this thread.
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Strat.I'm pretty much wrapped up with what I have to say. The things that you a are pointing to are in my mind liberal in concept and a morals issue.
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It's pretty obvious from your sentence construction that you've never paid much attention in school anyway.
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Originally posted by Lightningbolt Lightningbolt wrote:

To condone the use of an illegal drug, sexual advances, pedophilia. all completely legit stuff.

Do your own experiment. At your next company meeting stand up in front of the entire team and let everyone know how great smoking dope is.Be sure that the ceo is there.



In my job they would probably say "Yes, we all know, now shut up and sit down." As long as you don't do it at work/ don't bring it into the work place, they don't care.
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My instructor said on the first day of class. "If you choose this profession, you will become a drunk or addict. Pick which one now"

Everyone laughed, but the words had a lot of merit.
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Originally posted by Lightningbolt Lightningbolt wrote:

there are actually some benefits to heroin.


Pain killer. As an opiate it actually works really well to reduce pain. It has a few drawbacks / side effects though.

Diamorphine. Great stuff.

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Originally posted by Lightningbolt Lightningbolt wrote:

What I'm really pointing at is moral degradation. I think my strongest point is what is most likely a breech in employee contract in some of my points. What is this act in itself teaching students in a business communication class? Replace marijuana with heroin. I'm sure that there is information out there stating that there are actually some benefits to heroin. Who would I be to say what drugs are acceptable in a situation where they are used illegally?
illegal =/= immoral.
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Originally posted by __sneaky__ __sneaky__ wrote:

Originally posted by Lightningbolt Lightningbolt wrote:

What I'm really pointing at is moral degradation. I think my strongest point is what is most likely a breech in employee contract in some of my points. What is this act in itself teaching students in a business communication class? Replace marijuana with heroin. I'm sure that there is information out there stating that there are actually some benefits to heroin. Who would I be to say what drugs are acceptable in a situation where they are used illegally?
illegal =/= immoral.
As simple as it sounds, that's the crux of it. Our higher education system is built to encourage critical thinking and evaluation of our society, and by doing this it's providing an invaluable service to having a functioning republic. There are some arguments to be made that our higher education system should be streamlined to focus on marketable skills rather than pontificating on the role of government in regulating people's life choices, commerce, psychological and developmental issues associate with drug use, plant biology, the effect of drug laws on society, the economic costs of imprisonment v. revenue lost v. cost of treatment, use of scientific data in policy-making, etc. etc. etc. The pot issue covers all of those and more. If you're not getting at least a basic familiarization of modern social issues in your college career, no matter your major, you're not getting your money's worth.   

If you think your professors are being out of line or unprofessional, college should be a safe place where you can address those concerns. I'd first talk to the professor in question, privately, you now, like adults in a professional setting would ideally handle this. There are professional ways to handle these issues in a class, if they aren't doing this, that's an issue. I hate to break it to you, but if I were currently teaching social studies in a public school in my state, it would be irresponsible of me not to discuss the ballot questions coming up in this election season, one of which includes medicinal marijuana, and another physician-assisted suicide. While I'd need to focus more on being a moderator and critiquing arguments students made in class based on validity and for the most part, keep my opinions to myself, if I were teaching at a college I would expect that with the considerable investment of time and money invested, not to mention peer vetting,  required to get to that point in my career would allow me to hold and defend an opinion in a workplace that encourages people to develop, explore and defend opinions.

Maybe you prefer a society that through social and professional norms discourages people from expressing their political opinions in setting other than ranting anonymously on the internet or grumbling at the TV when only their family is present, but rational,  enlightened, and informed adults should be able to have these discussions if they so choose regardless of setting. 
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The other problem here is that morality is completely relative. You can't just pander to the most conservative denominator to avoid offending everybody.
 
And school is full of abstract concepts that are taught from the viewpoint of the original authors. Try taking an unbiased, unoffensive method to teaching Nietzsche or Marx...these were very passionate philosophers whose thoughts must be conveyed in the style of their writings to properly walk away with an education.
 
But that's the trouble...we only find issues controversial if we ourselves disagree with them. I wonder if this thread would still have existed had LB's teachers been raging conservatives blasting secularism and humanistic teachings while enforcing monotheistic JudeoChristian values?
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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

 I wonder if this thread would still have existed had LB's teachers been raging conservatives blasting secularism and humanistic teachings while enforcing monotheistic JudeoChristian values?

Which is ironic if you look at the historical development of academia. 
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The pure definition of the term liberalism has been hijacked by the political arena. Conservatives do liberal things every day. Some are harmless things and others are destructive. I'm really addressing issues that I disapprove of and that can manifest in any group.



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Originally posted by Lightningbolt Lightningbolt wrote:

The pure definition of the term liberalism has been hijacked by the political arena. Conservatives do liberal things every day. Some are harmless things and others are destructive. I'm really addressing issues that I disprove of and can manifest in any group.

So basically, you would like for society to get off of your lawn?
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