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Discussing pot and it's place in society is totally unrelated to an employee defying company policy.


something else about "oh noz don't mention marajuana I'm afearin' it so much";

For a business communication class we had to come up with a  business concept which involved groups of 4 students.  A 40 something year old dopey insisted that we do a pro-dope in the workplace concept which had all sorts of holes in the concept.  She was so stoned out of her mind that she was more concerned with "fighting for her right to party" than seeing that the concept was seriously flawed.

The two young girls in the group absolutely disagreed on the concept but we didn't have time to argue with dopey on her beliefs.  We literally had about 5 minutes to create a concept. 

My logo concepts were complete lol.  And the brownies at the company picnic were the best.  I told the class that we would have brought brownies to class to share "but we ate them all duuuude".  The openly pro-dope instructor laughed pretty hard at that one.  She did however flip on her acceptance to dope with me when she came to understand my position on the subject.

I made a disclaimer in front of the class that I neither use dope or condone it.  The instructor also has an email on file stating my position on the subject.  All I need in my future work environment is someone saying "hey I remember that guy!  he smokes dope".

As hard as we worked to make the concept viable, at the end of our presentation the professor and students were asking "what exactly does your company do?"  I waited for dopey to dig herself out of her intellectual property dilemma but she stood their speechless so I had to step up and dig her out.

yeah.  Got an A in the silly class.  I think I had the highest score having more than the total points possible.



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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Yes, because we all know college/ university is where you go to be sheltered from thoughts and ideas and activities that you aren't used to. It should be a safe, conservative haven where new ideas and progressive exploration are absent.


I'm not agreeing with LB, but I definitely had a couple classes(with mandatory spoken participation) where I was afraid to speak up because professors would deride conservative opinions or just act like I was unequivocally wrong.


Having a bad professor is entirely different from saying "Universities should not discuss things I do not personally agree with!"

New ideas make people uncomfortable, but they need to learn to deal with it, not shut down new ideas. It's the same reason those profs are bad, now why would you want to make an entire school run that way? Education needs an overhaul as it is, the last thing it needs to do is go back to how it used to be.

I can understand someone finding it uncomfortable if a professor mentions sex, drugs, or swears, or has other ideas they're not used to, but you're in university, it's time to GROW UP and be exposed to the world as it really is, not how you want your sheltered kids to perceive it. You're welcome to disagree with them/ anyone about their opinions, and you may choose to never swear or discuss drugs, but you have zero right to request that a school and its staff do the same.

We don't need more sheltered weirdos.


I certainly agree that people shouldn't be sheltered when they get to college, and I personally grew and evolved politically through college(though more may have been due to this forum than school), but the coin goes both ways. Someone shouldn't be shouted down or spoken down to because their beliefs(especially ones that's re not easily articulated) differ from their professors or the majority of the collegiate aged group. 18 may be too old to be sheltered, but it's not old enough to avoid succumbing to peer/authoritative pressures. It's an age where people should be given the chance to form their own opinions.



I absolutely agree, and certainly don't condone shutting down other points of view/ values. What I'm saying is that a school shouldn't shut those kind of things down either. It should be the place that encourages that kind of thought and discussion.

So what if marijuana is illegal, that automatically means you should be afraid to discuss it? Or offended by it being discussed? Why? What harm is there in informing people and learning from their opinions. If you're against it, good for you, you should be able to back up your feelings and explain them, as should those who support it. What's the worst that can happen, you learn something from each other?
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I'm willing to bet political bias is far more of a regional problem than a college problem.

Here in Texas the vast majority of my professors have been conservative. The very few liberal professors I've had were still amazing teachers and in fact my only really crappy professor was an ultra conservative.

I think, going back to my post in another thread, it's important to define liberal here. I'm afraid alot people go to school with the expectation of liberal / anti Christian bias and therefore spend half the class looking for excuses to be offended. This is especially true in more abstract subjects like philosophy...the butthurt gets palpable.

I belIeve that college exists to develop critical reasoning skills. A big part of critical reasoning is dissecting an argument and analyzing it. If, by the end of college, you're unable to properly look at someone's point of view and break it down, you've either had a very poor college experience or you half assed it.

As for some of the examples you listed...you'd be hard pressed to find anyone under the age of 50 that's not pro legalization of marijuana. Most of my professors swear. Very few of them are what I'd call religious. Very few of them are going to care about your opinion or respect it.

If being exposed to radical ideas or ideas you disagree with are a problem, I'd suggest a good trade school.

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Wait, you're telling me that people condone the legalization of marijuana, the devil's weed, at these institutions? Burn them to the ground.



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You're telling me that there aren't lines in the contract for employment that they signed that deal with and forbid condoning the use of illegal drugs. Genius
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Wait, you're telling me that people condone the legalization of marijuana, the devil's weed, at these institutions? Burn them to the ground.
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Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

So grateful I don't have kids.


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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Yes, because we all know college/ university is where you go to be sheltered from thoughts and ideas and activities that you aren't used to. It should be a safe, conservative haven where new ideas and progressive exploration are absent.


I'm not agreeing with LB, but I definitely had a couple classes(with mandatory spoken participation) where I was afraid to speak up because professors would deride conservative opinions or just act like I was unequivocally wrong.


Having a bad professor is entirely different from saying "Universities should not discuss things I do not personally agree with!"

New ideas make people uncomfortable, but they need to learn to deal with it, not shut down new ideas. It's the same reason those profs are bad, now why would you want to make an entire school run that way? Education needs an overhaul as it is, the last thing it needs to do is go back to how it used to be.

I can understand someone finding it uncomfortable if a professor mentions sex, drugs, or swears, or has other ideas they're not used to, but you're in university, it's time to GROW UP and be exposed to the world as it really is, not how you want your sheltered kids to perceive it. You're welcome to disagree with them/ anyone about their opinions, and you may choose to never swear or discuss drugs, but you have zero right to request that a school and its staff do the same.

We don't need more sheltered weirdos.


I certainly agree that people shouldn't be sheltered when they get to college, and I personally grew and evolved politically through college(though more may have been due to this forum than school), but the coin goes both ways. Someone shouldn't be shouted down or spoken down to because their beliefs(especially ones that's re not easily articulated) differ from their professors or the majority of the collegiate aged group. 18 may be too old to be sheltered, but it's not old enough to avoid succumbing to peer/authoritative pressures. It's an age where people should be given the chance to form their own opinions.
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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Yes, because we all know college/ university is where you go to be sheltered from thoughts and ideas and activities that you aren't used to. It should be a safe, conservative haven where new ideas and progressive exploration are absent.


I'm not agreeing with LB, but I definitely had a couple classes(with mandatory spoken participation) where I was afraid to speak up because professors would deride conservative opinions or just act like I was unequivocally wrong.


Having a bad professor is entirely different from saying "Universities should not discuss things I do not personally agree with!"

New ideas make people uncomfortable, but they need to learn to deal with it, not shut down new ideas. It's the same reason those profs are bad, now why would you want to make an entire school run that way? Education needs an overhaul as it is, the last thing it needs to do is go back to how it used to be.

I can understand someone finding it uncomfortable if a professor mentions sex, drugs, or swears, or has other ideas they're not used to, but you're in university, it's time to GROW UP and be exposed to the world as it really is, not how you want your sheltered kids to perceive it. You're welcome to disagree with them/ anyone about their opinions, and you may choose to never swear or discuss drugs, but you have zero right to request that a school and its staff do the same.

We don't need more sheltered weirdos.
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Oldpbnoob;
staying young is a lot of work. People freak out when I tell them my age. it makes me smile.

In my first speech in oral communication in which I stated my age my instructor couldn't believe that I am older than her. I actually nailed it and got comments like"your speech was amazing"lol because I hate talking in front of large groups.

I'm also now a class sign language interpreter at college communicating between the deaf teacher and students.she let me teach the class this week

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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Yes, because we all know college/ university is where you go to be sheltered from thoughts and ideas and activities that you aren't used to. It should be a safe, conservative haven where new ideas and progressive exploration are absent.


I'm not agreeing with LB, but I definitely had a couple classes(with mandatory spoken participation) where I was afraid to speak up because professors would deride conservative opinions or just act like I was unequivocally wrong.
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It has been a long time since I was in college. I will say that most of the professors that taught my Criminal Justice courses and most of the Pre Law/Paralegal professors tended to be considerably more conservative than were most of my other professors. I don't remember any professors speaking about pot, but my gay German teacher with a Southern accent did invite all the students to the German restaurant every week and from my understanding tended to get very drunk.
 
I'll have to admit LB, you're a hell of a lot older than I thought you were.
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I see what you're saying but it doesn't take away from the legitimacy of my concerns. The extra curricular garbage didn't exist 27 years ago when I was in college and the process of instructors teaching students was better in that respect. Obviously great strides in school related knowledge have happened since then.
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Yes, because we all know college/ university is where you go to be sheltered from thoughts and ideas and activities that you aren't used to. It should be a safe, conservative haven where new ideas and progressive exploration are absent.
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I'm also referring to societal liberalism.

sorry but I'm not going back through a pile of text books.maybe I should have made notes on my concerns.

This isn't even about me. I'm concerned for the future of this nation. The garbage isn't going to influence me I'm too old and have been kicked around the block many times

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I'll share my views as an instructor and a student. 

Originally posted by Lightningbolt Lightningbolt wrote:

 EVERY SINGLE instructor I have had outside of the sign language program have openly condoned and/or made light of smoking marijuana, growing marijuana, drinking alcohol and use foul language.
 

As a student: I've had some professors who are open about those things, some not so much. It's been completely varied. I've had professors ask if I wanted to go get high (bravecoward knows who I'm talking about), and I've had some professors who were so straight-laced they wouldn't say "damn." 

As an instructor: I don't talk about marijuana, mostly because I don't use marijuana. I talk about drinking, because I drink, and because it's legal. I don't curse in front of my students, best I can help it. 

Overall though, I don't see what it has to do with someone's political leanings? 


Quote Do you want your future children hearing this garbage in school?
 

In college? I don't really have a problem with it. Even for dual-enrollment programs, those students and those approving of their placement in the program should be aware that college is composed of adults who will talk about adult things. 

Now, if we were talking about IN a high school, this is a completely different conversation. 

Quote They also speak negatively about conservatives and are pushing political leaning on children
 

As a student: That stuff is going to vary from place to place. It does happen because, frankly, professors have opinions. And yes, professors are going to be able to speak openly about those opinions -- but as long as they don't grade based on those opinions, I'm fine with it. I've had diehard conservative political science and economics professors before who I've done fine in their class and had open dialogue with.

As an instructor: I don't discuss politics with my students, generally, unless it's on the topic of teaching them how to report on politics -- to which I keep everything as neutral as humanly possible. 

Quote For Godís sake let these children that are still molding who they are develop their own ideologies without trying to steer political votes.
 

Is it possible to discuss political ideas without it being "steering?" 

Quote One day I joined a group of people which my wife is part of, that were studying for the nursing program and they were talking about how an instructor openly claimed that he preferred young children for sex. 
 

What does this have to do with political ideology? 

Quote My wife has heard unacceptable, sexual innuendos and arguable sexual advances in 90% of her classes.

What does this have to do with political ideology? 

Quote The text books are pockmarked with liberal concepts and conveniently they steer a biased positive light on liberal figures and media outlets.
 

Like?

Quote In one text book, when I saw them shed positive light on the self-proclaimed Marxist, Van Jones. I almost lost it.
 

In what context was the reference being used? 

 

 

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There are christian colleges out there.
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Iím going to somewhat reluctantly share just a few things that I have observed in college.

 EVERY SINGLE instructor I have had outside of the sign language program have openly condoned and/or made light of smoking marijuana, growing marijuana, drinking alcohol and use foul language.  Ok so weíre all adults.  Thatís exactly the reason that foul language and such ILLEGAL topics should be refrained from. Do you want your future children hearing this garbage in school? The fact of the matter is that some students at my college are still in high school and under the legal age of adulthood. 


They also speak negatively about conservatives and are pushing political leaning on children that yes, are now old enough to wipe their own butts but they still need their parents to buy the toilet paper.  For Godís sake let these children that are still molding who they are develop their own ideologies without trying to steer political votes.

 

One day I joined a group of people which my wife is part of, that were studying for the nursing program and they were talking about how an instructor openly claimed that he preferred young children for sex.  Did anyone go to the Dean?  I have no idea but if I would have been there his head would have rolled.

 

My wife has heard unacceptable, sexual innuendos and arguable sexual advances in 90% of her classes.

 

The text books are pockmarked with liberal concepts and conveniently they steer a biased positive light on liberal figures and media outlets. There are alternative examples without interjecting politics into classes that have nothing to do with politics.  Iím not really taking count of such instances because I need to slalom around the political ideology to learn the content and receive an A in the class.  Iíd feel the same way if text books and/or instructors were trying to steer conservative votes.

 

In one text book, when I saw them shed positive light on the self-proclaimed Marxist, Van Jones. I almost lost it.

 

There are other things that concern me but my spiritual beliefs are not for consumption here.

 

Is my college in the minority?
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