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It still isn't about what they called it. It is about the White house NOT sending support. The attack when on for 7 hours or more. 

PLENTY of time to actually DO something to help OUR citizens who were under attack. 

And yet...




And where is the media "getting to the bottom of this"? Oh yeah, it is THEIR guy. 
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USAF-I agree that mistakes should be called out and certainly more so at the chart of life. But in situations like this, I see a pattern-right wing media is crucifying him while the left is defending him. There's too much opinion and not enough qualified opinion. Without a full breakdown of where everyone was at, what the protocol is, what the chain of command is, etc its impossible to really say what the mistake was or if there was a mistake. The picture the right is painting of Obama is of a dude in the bat cave with a giant screen showing the ambassador being murdered and having a magic button that gets troops there in 2 minutes flat.

FE-I don't understand the "he refused to call it a terrorist attack" criticism. Even if he did purposely call it something else, that isn't indicative of how the powers that be handled the situation.
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Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:

Anyone who thinks they know all of the facts about things like that, especially in cases where CIA and SF are involved, is a moron. Your security clearance does not go that high.


Yeah, you are right, we should just take the word of Obama...

This was clearly a mob that was mad about a trailer on youtube or something.... Oh wait. 



We used to have a media that would have gone crazy getting to the bottom of something like this, course now with our JournOlist media, all they care about is the (R) or (D) behind your name. If it is a (D) they get "protected" with no questions asked. 


Oh wait, Obama actually said last night that America "we leave nobody behind"...  when talking about Benghazi oh wait, the storm...



Seriously, you can't make stuff like this up, Obama and the media are so pathetic. 

A few outlets are finally putting on their big boy reporter pants and starting to THINK about asking some questions...




The New York Post calls out the media on their LACK of coverage on Benghazi. Because... Liberals. 


"Where is the Benghazi media feeding frenzy?

I donít think thereís a conspiracy at work. Rather, I think journalists tend to act on their instincts. And, collectively, the mainstream mediaís instincts run liberal."




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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

But the 9/11 attacks didn't just come down to "we got hit." We knew there was chatter, we had warnings, we ignored.

This is where you run into problems playing the blame game no matter what your political persuasions.

When Bin Laden was killed and Obama "took credit," the right was up in arms.He had nothing to do with it, he just gave the okay, etc.

But now something bad happens in the same distant region of the world and itsentirety his fault, process be damned.

I've said it a million times-you won't win an election by firing accusations off full auto at your opponent, you win it by methodically picking your shots. If you bombard the American people with a million accusations, just as the left did under Dubya, the people will see you as whiny.

The other problem is that, in issues such as this, they're going to run straight to your past failures. This is a never ending argument of accusations.

So apply the conspiracy theory test. What did Obama stand to gain by purposely allowing American diplomats to die and right before an election no less?

So I believe it's fairly likely he didn't purposely allow this incident to happen for some sinister reason, and by that logic I see it as a possible mistake at worst, but really I'm in no position to judge because I about as much about strategic reaction as I know about nuclear reaction (not alot.)

Mistakes that cost lives are tragic, but they happen every day in the countries were wage war in at the cost of thousands of lives. I don't see conservatives lined up to crucify military leaders.

But time will tell, I could always be entirely wrong. Regardless, there are more pressing issues that are being entirely ignored every time the GOP tries to bring an issue like this to the forefront.


It doesn't have to be a conspiracy to highlight a grievous mistake. How many days after 9/11 did conspiracy theories about Bush shooting down the Pennsyvania flight or staging the attack as an excuse for war start showing up? **edited**, NatGeo and the History Channel STILL show that stuff.

Now, i preface this by saying the recent attacks were nowhere near the 9/11 scale, clearly. All I'm saying is that it seems to me like Benghazi has gotten very little coverage, especially when you consider some of the facts that came to light AFTER the initial reports(there was no protest, no sign of the video that Obama condemned had anything to do with it, etc.)
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You are correct, attacks happen, and no one is laying blame on Obama for a terrorist attack. 

But, you are missing the point, (which is no wonder since the media is covering up for Obama, just to get him elected again) Obama had TIME to do something. AND DIDN'T, he CHOSE to NOT send in support. Even though he had the mortar guys lit up with a laser showing their EXACT location. And yet, did he send a missile? 

Nope. 


Did he send special forces WHO WERE IN THE AREA. Nope. 

Did he watch the video LIVE while it was happeneing. Sure looks like he did. 

And yet, he did NOTHING while our people were murdered ON OUR OWN SOIL. 

THAT is Obama. 


AND that is our media as liberals will cover for this guy even when people die because of his lack of leadership. While they let him and the media use a youtube video to blame this all on... It is pathetic. 

Even FACEBOOK is doing their best to cover this up... 


Failure after failure, and yet, the media still covers for him. Interesting how during Iraq the war casualty list was covered EVERY SINGLE DAY, and yet, when Obama is running the war in Afghanistan, it is rarely mentioned, even though the death count has gone crazy with all the liberal "war" rules, that tie the hands of our military. 

Benghazi is just another example that liberals running "protection" and a war is just stupidity. As they think rubber bullets, and no armed guards is a good idea. It is the old "strength through bowing" ideology. 

Failure. 




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Anyone who thinks they know all of the facts about things like that, especially in cases where CIA and SF are involved, is a moron. Your security clearance does not go that high.
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But the 9/11 attacks didn't just come down to "we got hit." We knew there was chatter, we had warnings, we ignored.

This is where you run into problems playing the blame game no matter what your political persuasions.

When Bin Laden was killed and Obama "took credit," the right was up in arms.He had nothing to do with it, he just gave the okay, etc.

But now something bad happens in the same distant region of the world and itsentirety his fault, process be damned.

I've said it a million times-you won't win an election by firing accusations off full auto at your opponent, you win it by methodically picking your shots. If you bombard the American people with a million accusations, just as the left did under Dubya, the people will see you as whiny.

The other problem is that, in issues such as this, they're going to run straight to your past failures. This is a never ending argument of accusations.

So apply the conspiracy theory test. What did Obama stand to gain by purposely allowing American diplomats to die and right before an election no less?

So I believe it's fairly likely he didn't purposely allow this incident to happen for some sinister reason, and by that logic I see it as a possible mistake at worst, but really I'm in no position to judge because I about as much about strategic reaction as I know about nuclear reaction (not alot.)

Mistakes that cost lives are tragic, but they happen every day in the countries were wage war in at the cost of thousands of lives. I don't see conservatives lined up to crucify military leaders.

But time will tell, I could always be entirely wrong. Regardless, there are more pressing issues that are being entirely ignored every time the GOP tries to bring an issue like this to the forefront.
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I do believe I read somewhere yesterday that it wasn't only CIA operatives that wanted to get there to help. I believe isaw that when the WH got word of the impending/potential attack(2+ hours ahead of time), a full SF A team requested permission to go as well, and were denied. That's on top of denying extra security that had been requested on multiple occasions in the weeks leading up to the attacks.

Most of the time I separate myself from FE, but I think it's disgusting the lack of coverage being given to the utter failure on our governments part that led to the deaths of innocent Americans.
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Terrorist attacks happen... That is life.
 
What is different is that Obama had unmanned drones flying over Benghazi that showed LIVE footage of the attack as it went on, and the local CIA operatives were told to STAND DOWN and not help the people at the embassy...
 
One disreguarded that order, and went anyway, and then after he helped save a bunch of lives, he then put his laser on the mortar attackers, and called in support.
 
And again the Obama administration did nothing. (empty chair) and what happened? the SEAL died from that mortar group...
 

The blame for that falls directly on the shoulders of Obama. He left them to die, for 7 hours, with NO help. We had special forces in the area that could have been sent there, but Obama didn't.
 
 
Big difference between a quick terrorist attack, and ignoring 7 hour attack and doing NOTHING.
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So FE, you're saying more registered republicans are planning on actually voting this time compared to last time? Amazing!  But as for the Benghazi comment, I'm glad you think presidents shouldn't be re-elected if a terrorist attack happens on their watch, now to set my time-machine to 2004..... 

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I love how personal FE takes this stuff.  
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Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


Lol, New York Times... hahaha.†



Interesting how Gallup is now showing a +12 Republican shift... That is massive, and yet, neither one of your sources shows that at all... weird, huh...

I'm sure the media covering up Obama's failure in Benghazi won't affect the election... Or something.


Meanwhile in New Jersey one of the most thought-of Republican Governors essentially flips Mitt the bird....




I think flipping Romney the bird is kind of strong...the reporter asked him about a photo op in the middle of a discussion about disaster relief efforts. He said he didn't give a Damn about politics and praised Obama for his help, both of which were pretty classy moves.

The media headlines are trying to politicize most anything right now.
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


Lol, New York Times... hahaha.†



Interesting how Gallup is now showing a +12 Republican shift... That is massive, and yet, neither one of your sources shows that at all... weird, huh...

I'm sure the media covering up Obama's failure in Benghazi won't affect the election... Or something.


Meanwhile in New Jersey one of the most thought-of Republican Governors essentially flips Mitt the bird....
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Lol, New York Times... hahaha. 



Interesting how Gallup is now showing a +12 Republican shift... That is massive, and yet, neither one of your sources shows that at all... weird, huh...

I'm sure the media covering up Obama's failure in Benghazi won't affect the election... Or something.
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Curious what our liberal friends think of the polling today?...†
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Curious what our liberal friends think of the polling today?... 
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Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by Lightningbolt Lightningbolt wrote:

I've said this for a while; obama is going four more.


Well if he does. 



Oh wait, that was today in CA...

You do realize that America has some of the cheapest retail gas in the world, and that it's only beaten out by countries that engage in massive direct government subsidy thereof?


American policies have kept gas prices very, very low by global standards, but GLOBAL market dynamics have had prices continuing to increase. You can hardly blame Obama for this. Prices were artificially low for some years due to the global recession, so any whining about gas prices that is univariate and isn't longitudinal for more than a couple years will fall flat on its face.

You could, of course, elect Republicans who will support an Israeli strike on Iran, watch the strait of Hormux get closed, and see what happens *then*... But I'll probably be too busy overseas at that point to come back and say 'I told you so'.

This is complete BS.  There is always time to come back for an "i told you so" post.

I meant that if Mittens McChickenhawk ends up provoking a war I'll probably be stuck in it.
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I think some type of conflict in Iran is probably inevitable.
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Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by Lightningbolt Lightningbolt wrote:

I've said this for a while; obama is going four more.


Well if he does. 



Oh wait, that was today in CA...

You do realize that America has some of the cheapest retail gas in the world, and that it's only beaten out by countries that engage in massive direct government subsidy thereof?


American policies have kept gas prices very, very low by global standards, but GLOBAL market dynamics have had prices continuing to increase. You can hardly blame Obama for this. Prices were artificially low for some years due to the global recession, so any whining about gas prices that is univariate and isn't longitudinal for more than a couple years will fall flat on its face.

You could, of course, elect Republicans who will support an Israeli strike on Iran, watch the strait of Hormux get closed, and see what happens *then*... But I'll probably be too busy overseas at that point to come back and say 'I told you so'.

This is complete BS.  There is always time to come back for an "i told you so" post.
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