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Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

I understand what you're saying Rofl, but the reality is that workers aren't going to strike if they don't feel the potential benefits outweigh the risks, and that they honestly aren't being taken seriously, or compensated properly, for the jobs they are doing.


That may be the case here, but no way does it apply to all unions. How are auto assembly line workers with a HS diploma making 3-9 TIMES what I do? It's not because their job is more dangerous, that's for damn sure. How about the traffic controllers who threatened strike because they wanted more money in a failing/struggling industry?

Unions were great for what they originally did; ensure worker safety and livable wages. Unfortunately, in states where they are allowed to strike, they operate more like thugs, forcing companies to bend to their demands until it becomes more financially reasonable to take manufacturing elsewhere.

It's like I mentioned in the other thread about unions, even when you account for cost of living differences, a cop in NYC makes about double what I will.
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Companies no longer care about the individuals they employ and will do whatever it takes to squeeze every penny until it bleeds  


Really.

Weird, I didn't realize I didn't care about my employees...


Seriously, the fact that you think that is very telling. Companies ARE people, and as long as you think they aren't you are clueless about what makes this country great. 


If you want to talk about people squeezing every penny out of a company, take a look at what a small business pays in taxes, not just income taxes but ALL taxes. The cost of an employee is not just their paycheck, but almost double that when you figure in all the added government regulations for each employee. 

Or better yet, start YOUR OWN company, and see how you feel after that education.
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Ever wondered why public teachers unions don't actually help kids in any way shape or form?... well, follow the money.
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Teachers make so much money....we should really take away their unions and bring their pay back to earth.
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

 
Companies no longer care about the individuals they employ and will do whatever it takes to squeeze every penny until it bleeds  


Really.

Weird, I didn't realize I didn't care about my employees...


Last I heard, you didn't own the company.  I thought you were just a manager/sales guy.  Was I wrong?
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It is a private company. 

There are shares of private stock that determine ownership of private companies, how much I own or don't own isn't any concern of you, as that is none of your business.

But, I guarantee that small businesses care a great deal about their employees. Without them, the company wouldn't exist. 

For example, in our business, we could buy a prepress system that does all the work that our employees do in the pre-press and order entry process, this would let us have these pieces of equipment work 24/7, and computers don't take breaks, or vacations... But, if we did that, the families we support with those jobs would be gone. That is how online printers are doing it, as they don't have pre-press operators, they have machines, you upload your file, the computer processes it, writes the ticket, and orders all the materials automatically, and sends you a digital .pdf proof, within minutes, which you OK and they make plates. At THAT point it is touched by a human hand for the first time, once the plates are made. 

So you eliminate the need for a job planner/order entry, a person who orders the materials, and the guy that runs the pre-press equipment. And now ONE guy runs the front end, to put paper in the printers, and plates in the processors... All those jobs are gone, but you make more money...

Which is better? the online way is cheaper... But, if you buy a lot of printing, you would rather have a person looking over your work to catch your mistakes, where an online printer, you get what you send. And if it is wrong, they don't care, and  you already paid for it... (they take cash upfront). So you have to buy it again to get it right.

Very different model of operations. Sure there are some businesses that don't care about their employees but to make a blanket statement like that shows that either you don't know many business owners, or you have had a bad experience that is clearly clouding your judgement. 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-hc8BjlukI&feature=related

It's Beck but the reported video must be listened to, this individual was a high ranking Union Leader.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNEirybJWyM

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Hmm, teachers union in Obamatown to strike tonight...

For the children, I'm sure...
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Online courses have on campus instructors nervous. Keep demanding more and see what happens.

Teaching jobs are and can be shipped over seas too

But hey they've taught students that it's good for the economy so win/win.

The les contact I have with those brain washed robots the better.

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On strike, chicago public teachers union...

They make on average $76,000 a year BEFORE benefits... 

They turned down a $400,000,000 deal, that would have given them a 16% pay raise. 


How are Chicago students doing in this high paying union environment?

Well, today, they are on the streets instead of in the classrooms. 
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They didn't strike because of the pay.  One of the big issues they were striking against is the standardized test based evaluation system.  From what I've read. Should a teacher really lose their job because their students refuse to learn?
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Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:

They didn't strike because of the pay.  One of the big issues they were striking against is the standardized test based evaluation system.  From what I've read. Should a teacher really lose their job because their students refuse to learn?


I'm not well versed on the issues facing the union, but I'm 99% sure that on the news last night(the Chicago channel) they mentioned that they were also against having personal teacher performance evaluations.

If that's true, it's ridiculous. Tenure in general is dumb, IMO.
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Chicago is a lost cause anyway.
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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:

They didn't strike because of the pay.  One of the big issues they were striking against is the standardized test based evaluation system.  From what I've read. Should a teacher really lose their job because their students refuse to learn?


I'm not well versed on the issues facing the union, but I'm 99% sure that on the news last night(the Chicago channel) they mentioned that they were also against having personal teacher performance evaluations.

If that's true, it's ridiculous. Tenure in general is dumb, IMO.
 
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http://news.yahoo.com/jersey-town-ala-volunteer-utility-crew-don-t-053500307.html

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