 |
Another one. Eesh. |
Post Reply 
|
Page 123 6> |
| Author | |||
procarbinefreak 
Platinum Member 
Budget Medical Procedures Available Joined: 12 June 2002 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 12658 |
 Post Options
 Thanks(0)
 Quote Reply
 Topic: Another one. Eesh.Posted: 30 August 2012 at 5:17pm |
||
In the world huh?
|
|||
 |
|||
|
jmac3
Platinum Member
Official Box Hoister Joined: 28 June 2004 Status: Offline Points: 9176 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 30 August 2012 at 4:39pm |
||
|
If you thought Mack's response was clearly joking, whats with your SRS BZNESS response to Eville?
|
|||
|
Que pasa?
|
|||
|
|||
|
Kayback
Platinum Member
Ask me about my Kokido Joined: 25 July 2002 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 3885 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 30 August 2012 at 4:39pm |
||
Not sure if serious...... We have a pretty stringent licensing system here. We still have violent criminals with guns. KBK |
|||
|
Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2
|
|||
|
|||
|
FreeEnterprise
Platinum Member
Not a card-carrying member of the DNC Joined: 14 October 2008 Location: Trails Of Doom Status: Offline Points: 4711 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 30 August 2012 at 4:19pm |
||
AHHHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA Wow, I think I hurt myself laughing so hard. Seriously, you think criminals give a whit about getting a license or permit?!? Uhh, OK then! Don't look at the gun related shooting in Chicago then... It is the murder capital of the US, and closing in on the most dangerous place to live in the world... carry on... (btw Mack, it was pretty obvious you were kidding with the gang comment... I did laugh at the SERIOUS BIZZNESS responses though...)
Edited by FreeEnterprise - 30 August 2012 at 4:20pm |
|||
|
They tremble at my name...
|
|||
|
|||
|
BARREL BREAK
Platinum Member
Prettiest Princess in all the lands Joined: 08 September 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 10662 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 30 August 2012 at 4:07pm |
||
|
Nearly all gun crimes occur with legally purchased firearms...
|
|||
|
|||
|
evillepaintball
Platinum Member
Using other people’s accounts isn’t nice Joined: 08 March 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4765 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 30 August 2012 at 3:42pm |
||
|
If you don't want violent criminals to have guns, you have to have licenses. If you have licenses, you have to pay for the paperwork and manpower to issue them. That money is going to come from taxes, or fees. Either way, you are paying for it.
|
|||
|
|||
|
|||
|
FreeEnterprise
Platinum Member
Not a card-carrying member of the DNC Joined: 14 October 2008 Location: Trails Of Doom Status: Offline Points: 4711 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 30 August 2012 at 3:35pm |
||
|
You shouldn't have to pay for a permit or license to have a firearm. Period.
You know, freedom... I'll leave this here, since we all know this will be a national story by tomorrow... Oh wait. Edited by FreeEnterprise - 30 August 2012 at 3:35pm |
|||
|
They tremble at my name...
|
|||
|
|||
|
Reb Cpl
Moderator Group 
2010 Worst Luck award winner Joined: 10 June 2002 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13882 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 30 August 2012 at 10:28am |
||
Separate for CCW. They stressed this numerous times in the course I took a few months back. |
|||
|
|||
|
|||
|
Ceesman762
Platinum Member
Time for a C-Section! Joined: 15 November 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4633 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 30 August 2012 at 7:23am |
||
Pistol Permit for ownership, Yes in Nassau and Suffolk Counties. CCW I will check my handbook about. |
|||
|
Innocence proves nothing
Tippmann Forum Militia Commander On the S.S. FE Embargo |
|||
|
|||
|
Reb Cpl
Moderator Group
2010 Worst Luck award winner Joined: 10 June 2002 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13882 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 30 August 2012 at 6:57am |
||
Nor is an upstate permit any good down there. LI, NYC, and I think Westchester County... |
|||
|
|
|||
|
|||
|
clownshooter
Platinum Member
Checking your underwear drawer Joined: 15 June 2002 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3367 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 29 August 2012 at 11:22pm |
||
|
Yeah Reb Cpl it's a crazy world out there. The south counties and LI you can't even get a CCW unless you are rich or famous.
|
|||
|
|||
|
|||
|
Reb Cpl
Moderator Group
2010 Worst Luck award winner Joined: 10 June 2002 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13882 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 29 August 2012 at 9:10pm |
||
|
I could get behind some sort of training requirement for CCW Permits, even if it meant lengthening the process.
Here in NY, though, they're more interested in the MONEY rather than responsible ownership. $3 for the application pickup $50 for the 5 hour course $105 for the fingerprinting Wait.... Permit granted, then its $10 for every pistol you add to your permit. That's it. No training, no nothing. As long as you pass the background and mental health checks, you're able to pick up a pistol and carry it concealed in the upper counties of NY. You can walk through a Walmart with a pistol under your coat and never have EVER fired a round out of it or any other gun in your life. I'm all for gun ownership, as I've made clear before, but there's just something not right about that. In fact, there's something downright scary about it. |
|||
|
|
|||
|
|||
|
impulse418
Gold Member 
Joined: 25 November 2010 Location: Phx, AZ Status: Offline Points: 1506 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 29 August 2012 at 8:54pm |
||
|
All this talk of permission slips.... So grateful.
|
|||
|
|||
|
Mack
Moderator Group
Has no impulse! control Joined: 13 January 2004 Location: 2nd Circle Status: Offline Points: 9706 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 29 August 2012 at 8:25pm |
||
|
^^^ I'll take that as a compliment.
|
|||
|
|||
|
|||
|
usafpilot07
Platinum Member
FreeEnterprise's #1 Fan & Potty Mouth Joined: 31 August 2004 Location: Tokelau Status: Offline Points: 4321 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 29 August 2012 at 12:18pm |
||
Damn thing must be on the fritz. It seemed like a reasonable enough assumption that I could picture someone believing it. |
|||
|
Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo
|
|||
|
|||
|
clownshooter
Platinum Member
Checking your underwear drawer Joined: 15 June 2002 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3367 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 29 August 2012 at 12:14pm |
||
|
Many states have training requirements for obtaing a CHP or CCW, whatever your state calls it. In this state one must take a class and learn about the statutes concerning use of deadly force and when DF is permissible. Attendees have to demonstrate proficiency with the weapon they choose. Without satisfactorily completing the class, one cannot obtain a CHP. The class is one of the requirements along with a fingerprint card, and complete background check.
Of course the right to defend oneself or one's family is a common law right. Obviously the big controversy (courtesy of the Hoplophobes) is using a firearm, specifically a handgun for self defense. I have also heard the liberal argument that if one shoots someone trying to kill or rape you, the subject is being deprived of his/her right to due process. Go figure!
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|||
|
Mack
Moderator Group
Has no impulse! control Joined: 13 January 2004 Location: 2nd Circle Status: Offline Points: 9706 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 29 August 2012 at 11:57am |
||
Note to USAF: Have humor detector checked for operational status. |
|||
|
|
|||
|
|||
|
Lightningbolt
Platinum Member
PHAT and PLAT Joined: 10 July 2002 Location: Dean's List Status: Offline Points: 4780 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 29 August 2012 at 8:25am |
||
|
Great points tolgak. The potential liberal position that extended firearms education will lead to future mass shooters can be paralleled to sex education in schools will lead to mass prostitution.
Law breakers aren't going to wait for the law to change so they can begin breaking laws. Edited by Lightningbolt - 29 August 2012 at 8:33am |
|||
|
Obonga vs Wrongney-cage fight 2012
Cage fight 2016-Jesse Ventura vs. ? |
|||
|
|||
|
tallen702
Platinum Member
Strike 1 - Swearing on Facebook Joined: 10 June 2002 Location: Under Your Bed Status: Offline Points: 10523 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 29 August 2012 at 8:14am |
||
|
<Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.>
|
|||
|
|||
|
Tolgak
Platinum Member
Master of MSPaint and bri's Daddy Joined: 12 July 2002 Location: BEHIND YOU! Status: Offline Points: 1239469 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 28 August 2012 at 5:06pm |
||
I would gladly take situation based training as a requirement for CCW. Anything from basic marksmanship to simulated encounters (and the BEST, not most violent way), to handle things from muggings to shootings or even non-violent events could be covered. It could make the self defense training industry boom in the states that do this, so long as the classes aren't overpriced and have mandatory guidelines to follow regarding the appropriate action to each situation. Basically, it should be consistent among all training facilities, demand yearly maintenance of currency, be economically viable, and should involve force on force events that stress self preservation instead of spec ops style direct action. We have government mandated training guidelines and certificates for the public use of any moving machine of substantial weight (because mishandling can cause damage and death). Why not extend the same to firearms in public? The problem, of course will be political resistance. The far right will deem it unconstitutional, that there should be no standard for bearing arms in public. To an extent, I agree with this. Having a rifle on your back while walking home from a hunt or a range, even walking through a grocery store, should be no big deal. There are towns where open carry is normal and incidents are rare. Still, a standard, responsible behavior for those who carry is not something that the untrained person possesses (hence why I rarely have a gun with me in Juneau). The far left will complain that the state is sponsoring the training of future mass shooters. It's not the case, but when has the fringe of any group ever been completely sane and logical? There can be a way to make this happen, and I look to vehicles because that's what I know. Training can be performed by private organizations. To become an examiner, you need to pass an evaluation which proves you meet safety and proficiency standards, as well as the ability to evaluate others' abilities to perform the required way. I don't think teachers should have to be certified. Training can happen by anyone, because there's a comprehensive test. The NRA training is not near enough. A prospective CCW holder meets with an examiner and other applicants to perform a series of tests including weapon maintenance, target shooting, knowledge of CCW regs, and simulations of the real world using simunitions and the other applicants as gunmen/actors. Since the response can't be concretely graded, intent of action should be the primary guideline for success. One experience I really think should be required is the active shooter scenario in the training space large enough for a few dozen beginner CCW students with rooms, walls, doors, etc. At an unexpected point during simunitions training, an actor takes a real gun loaded with blanks (the sound is what matters here) and just starts shooting wildly. The first guy who he points at should be a plant and have squibs in his shirt. Whatever happens, it would result in a very useful observation every time about how people would react in the real world. Students will learn how they would react when it gets real, how others will react, and everyone will learn what happens when a bunch of untrained CCWs are responding to the same threat. If done correctly, it will likely validate why training is necessary and will probably help develop new training techniques. If done incorrectly (like ABC did), then it will be a waste. |
|||
|
|||
|
|||
Topic Options
FreeEnterprise wrote:|
Post Reply
|
Page 123 6> |
Tweet
|
| Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |
This page was generated in 0.266 seconds.