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    Posted: 22 August 2012 at 5:34pm
I find it funny that we get a post on every gaffe and disingenuous comment from the Obama administration yet the board has been oddly silent on what may become a huge problem for the GOP this year-



This idiot.

Let me just express why I find this comment so appalling. I watched a 12 year old come in on a weekly basis to get her pregnancy evaluated. Luckily (or horrifyingly) enough she delivered a healthy baby girl that would likely find out at some point that her grandfather and biological father were the same person. According to Mr. Akin's comments statistically speaking she was a willing participant in this act.

I can't think of anything else to say about this.
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I think you haven't seen much about it because just about everyone on here finds it a moot point, the guy is a dumbass and (hopefully) will get what he deserves.
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Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

I think you haven't seen much about it because just about everyone on here finds it a moot point, the guy is a dumbass and (hopefully) will get what he deserves.


I was referring to a certain person who starts 10 page conspiracy theories on some vague comment but ignores things like this.

As far as it being a moot point, it's far from it. There are lots of women's rights groups that are up in arms about this comment and want the GOP to distance itself from this guy. But the tea party has endorsed his "no exceptions" abortion policy and, as a matter of importance, so has Paul Ryan.

This guy could very well become the face of the no exception anti-abortionists and really do harm in the November run.
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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

I think you haven't seen much about it because just about everyone on here finds it a moot point, the guy is a dumbass and (hopefully) will get what he deserves.


I was referring to a certain person who starts 10 page conspiracy theories on some vague comment but ignores things like this.

As far as it being a moot point, it's far from it. There are lots of women's rights groups that are up in arms about this comment and want the GOP to distance itself from this guy. But the tea party has endorsed his "no exceptions" abortion policy and, as a matter of importance, so has Paul Ryan.

This guy could very well become the face of the no exception anti-abortionists and really do harm in the November run.


A candidate supporting a no exceptions platform =/= endorsing Akin. Didn't Romney and the GOP already urge Akin to quit the race?
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You remember that game in grade school where you yelled [a word meaning the male genital appendage] louder than the last kid until a teacher heard you? The GOP has been playing a decades long version with misogynist rhetoric, and the teacher finally heard, apparently.
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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:


Didn't Romney and the GOP already urge Akin to quit the race?


Yup.

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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

But the tea party has endorsed his "no exceptions" abortion policy and, as a matter of importance, so has Paul Ryan.


Now THAT GUY is someone that we, as a fairly "young" forum, should be talking about. He scares me ****less. His policies are tailored to benefit himself and his ilk and leave everyone else to rot. I know, as someone who was young once, that the thought of needing Medicare seems like a distant idea that we shouldn't worry about, but the reality is that this guy is proposing robbing all the money you all are putting into the program and using it for himself and his generation, while leaving me, and most of you (with the exception of FE and OS) high and dry, fending for ourselves in our extreme old age.

I guarantee you that if Paul Ryan ever gets into the White House, you will never retire. You will die at your job just like they did in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
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I would like to know Tallen, by the time you reach the age of retirement, where will this mystery retirement money come from? How can any democrat or republican change that outcome? By promising more beneficiaries, on top of the mutli trillions?

We have made promises that we can't keep. Someone is going to getting screwed hard. Right now everyone is playing musical chairs. Hoping they music keeps playing long enough, that they don't have to witness the mad dash of securing a seat.


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Nothing needs to be said, the rank and file of the Conservative Republican Party want him gone, plain and simple, this guy is on the far fringe of the movement, and disowned, what else needs to be said?

Who in the mainstream 'Republican' or 'Conservative' movement has defending this idiot? Again self explanitory....not like Democrats who flood to reconstruct or revise the spoken idiocy on thier fringe movements.
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The assumptions here are just fun reading.....If this person or that person gets elected, this or that bad thing will happen. Depending on desired bias of course. Accept it you all are screwed, get over it, and the idiots you are electing are just digging the hole deeper, for you and your kids, all for the instant gratifacation need, and buying of votes. What does the 'future' concern them, they are getting rich in thier seats, so who cares. Time for them all to go, and the electorate rethink the entire purpose of this exercise.
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Nothing needs to be said, the rank and file of the Conservative Republican Party want him gone, plain and simple, this guy is on the far fringe of the movement, and disowned, what else needs to be said?

Who in the mainstream 'Republican' or 'Conservative' movement has defending this idiot? Again self explanitory....not like Democrats who flood to reconstruct or revise the spoken idiocy on thier fringe movements.


I agree with you in general, although it seems like Huckabee is being a HUGE idiot too:

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/uwelectioneye/2012/08/22/mike-huckabee-provides-political-lifeline-for-todd-akin/


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impulse, the reality of the situation is that Ryan's budget calls for cuts to Medicare in an effort to cut the budget when the money can come from other sources. First and foremost, we need to curtail the military industrial complex practice of "just give us a blank check." Eisenhower warned us about the massive corruption and spending issues we would get into with defense contracting if we didn't watch them like hawks, and sure enough, he was right. Secondly, the US has some of the lowest tax rates in the world, and some of the most complex tax codes which leave massive loopholes for people like Mr. Romney to hide their money in. We need to simplify the tax code and make sure that we're getting all the money we're supposed to be to pay for the systems which need to hang around like Medicare and Medicaid. Once the baby boomers all die off, the situation will get back to normalcy where you have more people paying in than taking out. Honestly, the single payer healthcare option would have made this a moot point as much as I didn't realize it back then.
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Sounds like you would benefit from Ron Paul.
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Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Sounds like you would benefit from Ron Paul.


If you were to give me Ron Paul tempered a little more towards the middle, and minus some of the craziness, I'd take him in a heartbeat.

I'm really ready for the moderates of this nation, on both sides of the aisle, to realize that a union of cooperation resulting in a 3rd party would give them the power to set a straight, logical, and responsible course for the nation.
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Congress would keep him more towards middle than he would like anyway.

And you wouldn't have to worry about him trying to work around congress, nor pass executive orders that are un-constituitional
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True. That's what scares me about Ryan as a VP. I don't think congress would do much to stand in his way right now. The House has already shown they're all for his "screw the future of our society" budget plan in an effort to make it look like they're trying to solve the problem by slapping a short-term band-aid on it. What is there to prevent him from pushing sweeping legislation through if he and Romney win? At least the Dems in congress were too damned lazy to do anything when Obama came into office, something tells me Ryan has too much vim and vigor to sit by and let this kind of opportunity pass him by.

Mind you, I honestly think this guy is going to turn out to become Romney's Palin in the end.
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If only we had some sort of fair tax system where there's no room for loopholes or confusion...
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Obamacare cut 600 BILLION (wait I just looked it up and was wrong, it is actually $716 BILLION) http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Newsletters/Washington-Health-Policy-in-Review/2012/Aug/August-20-2012/That-716-Billion-Medicare-Cut.aspx  from medicare... That already happened, and will affect companies in 2014 (no wonder you haven't been getting as much mail from hospitals in your town...) They have been slashing their budgets in preparation for these cuts. 

Clearly Akin is out there, but what I want to know is where did he hear this ridiculous claim in the first place?... That is so far out, that he had to have heard it somewhere. 

This is all a wag the dog election anyway, with the way the media ignores the democrat who was just busted with the high schooler at a truck stop that he met from craigslist... To the Biden gaffes a minute with all the racial elements. 

Course, it is no wonder the media is so biased, just look at who they spend their money on...



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The most interesting dynamic from what Aiken said, to me, are these two nuggets: 

1) It's kind of a bummer how little a lot of people in the U.S., not just men, but also women, honestly understand about female biology and the potential impact that some laws can have. I recall someone on Fox News saying, during the last big Planned Parenthood brouhaha, that women can simply get a pap smear performed at Walgreens. 

2) I think that there needs to be a serious dialogue in the U.S. about rape and rape culture. The really grotesque thing about Akin's statement was the "legitimate rape," as if there are forms of rape that are somehow less legitimate. To me, it speaks to the heap of misconceptions this country has about rape -- that it mostly occurs by strangers leaping out of bushes at night, that the victim is at fault for any aspect of a rape, that the majority of rapes are violent acts, etc. 
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Quote Clearly Akin is out there, but what I want to know is where did he hear this ridiculous claim in the first place?... That is so far out, that he had to have heard it somewhere. 


That's what baffled me. Generally I'll give politicians a free pass because I think anyone can make a mistake on the spot, but there was no REASON to give this response. There's no need for the anti-abortion crowd to jump through illogical hoops-they believe that abortion is murder, so the response should almost always be "murder is wrong."

But again, this guy has a history of making unsettling comments regarding rape.

As far as Paul Ryan, I have mixed views. I sort of agree with Impulse here-mathematically the social security fund was doomed from the start. They were unable to calculate in variables like life expectancy and population so the system is lopsided and frankly a sinking ship.

So I have strong doubts as to whether I'll see retirement benefits regardless of whether or not Ryan writes the budget. What I would like to see is a move to a more conservative economic path and I don't feel Obama is the man for that job. But that's a whole nother argument.
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