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    Posted: 25 July 2012 at 11:49am
So, we have entered a new stage of our country. Either proclaim the politically correct "secular humanistic" statements, or we will keep you from opening businesses... As the government will stop you from expanding your company if you repeat Christian viewpoints. 



Seems to me our country was founded when a certain group of Christians were tired of their government forcing their religion down their throats...
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I think you should wait to see the outcome of the court battle before you go declaring that the government is persecuting them based on their beliefs.  A non-crazy post at this point would read something similar to:
"The mayor of Boston has banned Chic-fil-a from the city.  I wonder if the courts will uphold his mandate or if they will strike it down as unconstitutional or outside of his scope of power."

All I'm saying is let the system run it's course before you go declaring the entire thing broken and corrupted and start hinting at impending revolutions.


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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Seems to me our country was founded when a certain group of Christians were tired of their government forcing their religion down their throats...


Seems like someone needs to re-read their history books. Not everyone involved in the founding of our nation was Christian, some were pronounced atheists. What they were, was a group of enlightened men from the European Protestant tradition. But nowhere in any of their documents do they talk about Jesus. They talk emphatically about science, "The laws of nature and nature's god" (that's straight out of the declaration there Bubba!) and the values of equality, but never mention Jesus, which seems to somewhat important in the claims of them being "Christian."

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that they weren't religious, they were, but in a much more scholastic attitude than you find with the religious right today. Instead they were secularists who believed that a higher power (god) was involved in the creation of the world around us and the laws (physics mind you, but also the basic tenants of the Torah and Bible) which they believe he created.

They didn't accept the fantasy present in the bible. To whit, Jefferson wrote his own version by stripping out everything that wasn't scientifically believable (no miracles) and chose to use that condensed text which contained Jesus' teachings as his path in religion, seeing him as a teacher more than the son of god incarnate.

But what is most important to remember about all of this FE, is that the founding fathers created a living foundation for our nation, one which could be changed with the new discoveries and new beliefs of the generations to come. As intelligent as they were, they understood that they couldn't possibly predict the future and that we, as the inheritors of the nation they helped build, would need to change things as we learned and grew as a nation and a species. To that point, not suffering the intolerant to do business is in line with the nation as it stands today. We don't, as a nation, believe in discrimination of any kind. We've fought wars over this very thing. The Mayor is the elected executive representative of the city, and thus, through his actions, is representing the will of the people, not the will of the government.
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

As the government will stop you from expanding your company if you repeat Christian viewpoints. 


Stepping aside from the restaurant thing for a moment....

I thought it was the Islamic extremists that supported the persecution of people for being different than they...not the Christians?


I always get the two mixed up. The similarities are too stark.








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So not allowing a company to build a store there, BECAUSE the CEO made the "mistake" of saying his religious beliefs. 

That is not an example of discrimination?

Me thinks you need to check out the meaning of the word again...


Would it be OK if a guy who owned a burger joint, came out and said he was a supporter of "teh ghey" and by the way he was going to open a store in that town. 

And the mayor (a member of the government) decided he wouldn't ALLOW him too because of his support for "teh ghey"...

Would that be discrimination?

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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

So not allowing a company to build a store there, BECAUSE the CEO made the "mistake" of saying his religious beliefs. 

That is not an example of discrimination?

Me thinks you need to check out the meaning of the word again...


Would it be OK if a guy who owned a burger joint, came out and said he was a supporter of "teh ghey" and by the way he was going to open a store in that town. 

And the mayor (a member of the government) decided he wouldn't ALLOW him too because of his support for "teh ghey"...

Would that be discrimination?



While I think the mayor of Boston will eventually lose this battle in court, you chose a poor hypothetical comparison.

It's one thing to express your beliefs if it is to emphatically include a group. To express beliefs that are to exclude a group is different. It SHOULD be the same in the eyes of the court, ie Free Speech, but that does not make it the same thing.
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Why?

Did either statement affect anyone? Clearly people agree or disagree with either position, but no one is harmed by either ideology. 

It was what a person THINKS. Are we now using thoughts to determine if we allow someone to build a business?
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Why?

Did either statement affect anyone? Clearly people agree or disagree with either position, but no one is harmed by either ideology. 

It was what a person THINKS. Are we now using thoughts to determine if we allow someone to build a business?


No no no. I'm saying that it is easier for a government official to side with an accepting state of mind rather than a prejudiced one.

Thus, a government official who is opposed to a company that supports current laws versus one who would oppose wide spread acceptance would simply not be in the same light. I wasn't attacking you, I'm saying it's not really the same img in the hypothetical you posited.
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Attempting to prevent a Chik-Fil-A from opening due to religious affiliation is indeed discrimination and should not be happening. I don't see the City of Boston winning this case, nor should they. 

That doesn't mean people are not free to boycott the business -- heck, I've been boycotting it for a number of years. Their openness in supporting hate groups is not some new thing. 

But, you cannot, and should not, prevent them from opening. 
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

That is not an example of discrimination?

Another good example of discrimination would be some attempting to prevent folks from opening up an Islamic community center in an abandoned retail space in downtown New York City simply because of their religion. 

It was as silly and short-minded then as it is now with a Chik-Fil-A. 
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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Why?

Did either statement affect anyone? Clearly people agree or disagree with either position, but no one is harmed by either ideology. 

It was what a person THINKS. Are we now using thoughts to determine if we allow someone to build a business?


No no no. I'm saying that it is easier for a government official to side with an accepting state of mind rather than a prejudiced one.

Thus, a government official who is opposed to a company that supports current laws versus one who would oppose wide spread acceptance would simply not be in the same light. I wasn't attacking you, I'm saying it's not really the same img in the hypothetical you posited.



Wait, so if the muslim brotherhood, a group that believes that the only way to run a country is through sharia law (which clearly is NOT accepting of gay's)  then the government should be against the support of that group because they are prejudiced?



But, they aren't, why?

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Again some polititian forcing his 'favered' political or religious view on others.

Simple solution, if you do not like the religious views of the bussiness don't frequent it. Pretty simple of course till you get lawyers involved and a political agenda.
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What a total idiot. You're going to openly block a business from being built over the religious beliefs of the owner?

I hope his "freedom trail" involves lots of legal fees.

I love Chik Fil A and don't give any more of a crap about their religious beliefs than I do the flamboyant Oreo.
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Why?

Did either statement affect anyone? Clearly people agree or disagree with either position, but no one is harmed by either ideology. 

It was what a person THINKS. Are we now using thoughts to determine if we allow someone to build a business?


No no no. I'm saying that it is easier for a government official to side with an accepting state of mind rather than a prejudiced one.

Thus, a government official who is opposed to a company that supports current laws versus one who would oppose wide spread acceptance would simply not be in the same light. I wasn't attacking you, I'm saying it's not really the same img in the hypothetical you posited.




Wait, so if the muslim brotherhood, a group that believes that the only way to run a country is through sharia law (which clearly is NOT accepting of gay's)  then the government should be against the support of that group because they are prejudiced?



But, they aren't, why?



Sigh, I'm not even arguing with you, I even said I bet this will get shot down in court.

I'm just saying there are better ways to pose a hypothetical discussion if healthy discourse is your goal.

Clearly, you'd prefer to argue and/or preach than see a opinion that, while similar to yours, isn't 100% the same as yours. Dealing with other denominations must really piss you off too, huh?
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I think it's hillarious that he's all on the soapbox over Chick-a-filla but doesn't say a thing about other business in Boston like bank of America that have done way more damage to the state than a chicken joint.
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Originally posted by Evil Elvis Evil Elvis wrote:

I think it's hillarious that he's all on the soapbox over Chick-a-filla but doesn't say a thing about other business in Boston like bank of America that have done way more damage to the state than a chicken joint.


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How's the new digs buddy?!?! Did you get everything taken care of and everyone situated back on the homestead?

Also, it's true what everyone else has said about it not standing up in court. But you have to look at it like this FE, If you replace "homosexual" or "gay" with any other race, sex, or creed, you'd agree that the uproar would be justified, yes?

Hiding discrimination and support of hate speech behind religion isn't going to work anymore.
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Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Seems to me our country was founded when a certain group of Christians were tired of their government forcing their religion down their throats...


Seems like someone needs to re-read their history books. Not everyone involved in the founding of our nation was Christian, some were pronounced atheists. What they were, was a group of enlightened men from the European Protestant tradition. But nowhere in any of their documents do they talk about Jesus. They talk emphatically about science, "The laws of nature and nature's god" (that's straight out of the declaration there Bubba!) and the values of equality, but never mention Jesus, which seems to somewhat important in the claims of them being "Christian."

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that they weren't religious, they were, but in a much more scholastic attitude than you find with the religious right today. Instead they were secularists who believed that a higher power (god) was involved in the creation of the world around us and the laws (physics mind you, but also the basic tenants of the Torah and Bible) which they believe he created.

They didn't accept the fantasy present in the bible. To whit, Jefferson wrote his own version by stripping out everything that wasn't scientifically believable (no miracles) and chose to use that condensed text which contained Jesus' teachings as his path in religion, seeing him as a teacher more than the son of god incarnate.

But what is most important to remember about all of this FE, is that the founding fathers created a living foundation for our nation, one which could be changed with the new discoveries and new beliefs of the generations to come. As intelligent as they were, they understood that they couldn't possibly predict the future and that we, as the inheritors of the nation they helped build, would need to change things as we learned and grew as a nation and a species. To that point, not suffering the intolerant to do business is in line with the nation as it stands today. We don't, as a nation, believe in discrimination of any kind. We've fought wars over this very thing. The Mayor is the elected executive representative of the city, and thus, through his actions, is representing the will of the people, not the will of the government.


I'm just quoting this because FE's selective eyesight seems to have missed this post. Strange how the logical replies just dont seem to show up on his browser.
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Originally posted by Evil Elvis Evil Elvis wrote:

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