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inb4 whale saying he sees nothing wrong with any of this... and the reporters must be lazy or something... 


Lol. 
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In related news: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-05-20/news/ct-edit-protesterhd-20120520_1_molotov-cocktails-nato-summit-chicago-police

Mind you, it apparently isn't front-page news that occupy members were planning on firebombing the president's campaign office, Rahm Emmanuel's house, and police barracks. Guess the BeeGees are much more newsworthy than any of this....
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Another example... 

Look at the headline... Wow, really? Do they teach bias like this at Columbia? Clearly

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Yeah, I brought this thread back.  Mainly because I saw an article in yesterday's paper that reminded me of the discussion tallen, whale and FE were having regarding media bias.  I hunted around until I found it online.

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Originally posted by article article wrote:



GOP measure freezes lawmakers' office budgets

Associated PressBy ANDREW TAYLOR | Associated Press – Thu, May 17, 2012

WASHINGTON (AP) — Even as they press cuts to foreign aid, food stamps and a host of domestic programs, Republicans running the House of Representatives are opting against any further cuts to their own office budgets.

In draft legislation supported by Republicans and Democrats alike, the House Appropriations Committee would instead freeze the $574 million budget for lawmakers' staff, travel and office expenses.

The spending freeze announced Thursday comes as Republicans are rewriting last summer's budget accord to press cuts to non-defense agency budgets by about 5 percent on average. The overall $3.3 Capitol Hill funding bill would absorb a 1 percent cut that comes from cutting back the budget for repairing the Capitol dome.

An Appropriations subcommittee is scheduled to approve the measure Friday.

In two earlier rounds of appropriations bills for 2011 and 2012, Republicans imposed a 10.5 percent budget cut on the House. Their office budgets — officially called the "members' representational allowance," have been cut by a total of 13 percent from the record $660 million approved by a Democratic-controlled Congress for 2010.

"The nation's budget challenges are far from over, and Congress must continue to lead by example and hold the reins on spending wherever possible, including in our own Capitol complex," said Appropriations Committee Chairman Harold Rogers, R-Ky. "At the same time, we must maintain the efficacy of the people's House, and ensure the safety and security of the thousands of people who work in and visit our historic buildings every day. This bill balances both of these needs."

In March, the House passed a budget plan that would force non-defense cuts of $27 billion below levels agreed to in the budget and debt pact forged by President Barack Obama and House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio. Since then, Rogers has revealed plans that generally shield some Cabinet departments — like Justice and Homeland Security — from the cuts, while the departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education and Housing and Urban Development will bear a much larger share.

In implementing the GOP budget, authored by Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., Republicans earlier this month passed legislation cutting food stamps, pension benefits for federal workers, health care and social services programs like Meals on Wheels for the elderly.

Top panel Democrat Norm Dicks of Washington praised the House measure.

"For the most part ... this bill has been protected from Ryan budget austerity," Dicks said in a statement.



Why did I think this applied?  Compare the title and the second paragraph.  There are other things in this article that bug me, but the aforementioned is the big issue.
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Awe, how cute, 50 occupiers went to the court to support their brothers in arms... 


Course, if you read the media, some how they missed that part of the story... Lol. 


"More than 50 supporters crowded the courtroom to see the "Cleveland Five," as they have been dubbed"...

Strange how they didn't say 50 occupy members...


Oh well, as usual, you have to go across the pond to see the link covered by the media. 



We are finally seeing the major media starting to realize that their bias is hurting their coverage...


Of course Romney "flip flops" while Obama "evolves". Because the authors of the articles support Obama, and don't support Romney...



Edited by FreeEnterprise - 09 May 2012 at 11:53am
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Originally posted by MeanMan MeanMan wrote:

Thats a very unlucky bridge. I knew the guy who killed himself by jumping off of it not too long ago.
Then these kids were heroes trying to get rid of a dangerous structure that has been known to kill...
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

How about the tea party spitting on a congressman... Made up. Tons of camera angles, and the congressman recounted later, after the damage was done.
 

So, let's assume Rep. Cleaver was indeed making up the story. 

A congressman says he was spit on. The media reports his claim as a claim. Why is this the problem of the media for reporting the congressman's claim and not the problem of the congressman for making it up, exactly? 

Quote How about the story about the "gun toting tea party guy" that the media edited to make it look like he was a white male...
 

As I recall, the situation in question was one segment of a talking head session on MSNBC. Is this what you are assumedly categorizing as encompassing "the media" now? 

Quote Or the stories about Arizona trying to FOLLOW THE LAW and crack down on illegals...
 

What about the coverage? 

Quote Suspect in bridge bombing plot signed lease on
 Occupy Cleveland warehouse"

So, in your opinion, this sentence should be breaking news across the country? 


Edited by agentwhale007 - 07 May 2012 at 12:13pm
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Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

 
After the fact.
 

Until someone comes up with a viable time machine, it will most likely be impossible to fire someone for a professional transgression until the action takes places. 

Every profession has crappy people who will act improperly. The person who decided to edit down the Zimmerman tape was a crappy person who acted improperly, most likely to fuel his or her work getting on the air and getting played (Selfishness and narcissism, folks say, lead to fabrication by newsmakers far more often than bias). And, in turn, the person was fired when it was discovered what they had done. Safeguards exist, and safeguards do fail, sadly. 

Also, the Zimmerman NBC tape, while a horrendous breach of ethical behavior on the part of the person who edited the tape, and a serious breach of oversight from the person's higher-up producer, is not applicable to what we are currently discussing -- the identification of politically affiliated fringe groups by the media when covering their negative actions. 

Quote when issues like this occur regularly
 

Considering the number of news broadcasts, news papers, news magazines, and news websites that are published and distributed around the clock, all being composed by human beings, "regularly" is most likely a bit of a stretch. 
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It happens all the time...

How about the tea party spitting on a congressman... Made up. Tons of camera angles, and the congressman recounted later, after the damage was done. 

How about the story about the "gun toting tea party guy" that the media edited to make it look like he was a white male... Turns out, he was black. But, that didn't fit the liberal narrative, that the tea party was "racist" so they edited it to make it look different. 

Or the stories about Arizona trying to FOLLOW THE LAW and crack down on illegals... The liberal narrative doesn't like states trying to follow the law when it applies to their voting base... Oh wait, did I say that out loud. Lol. 



Anyway, it is all typical, Whale never sees the media doing anything wrong, even when it is abundantly clear. 


Guess I'll be waiting a LOOOONG time for the major media in our country to cover this story, huh...

"Suspect in bridge bombing plot signed lease on
 Occupy Cleveland warehouse"
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Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:

An integrity violation was brought to their attention, they investigated it, and they fired those responsible.  I don't see the problem with this.  


After the fact. After it had been sent out to the nation as a whole. Whale states that they do the best with what they have with at the time. Patently false blanket statement when issues like this occur regularly (rigged SUVs anyone?) Again, first impression is a lasting one, media outlets know this. Rather than checking, and double checking the facts, this type of thing happens.
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An integrity violation was brought to their attention, they investigated it, and they fired those responsible.  I don't see the problem with this.  
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Because journalists and new media would never say anything that wasn't true

Goes hand in hand with FE's retraction argument as well.
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I have seen many complaints in this thread about "if these were TEA Partiers/right-wingers/mitiamen/etc.  the media would have xxxxx."  The one thing I have yet to see in this thread, is anyone complaints backed up with a concrete example.  Surely a headline blaming the right shouldn't be hard to find if they are so common.  A tip, in Google news search, on the left side, you can customize a date range for your search.  
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Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

I seriously doubt anyone has taken the time to quantify them, 

Ah. In that case, I don't think one is qualified to say: 

Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

Major news outlets have (in the past 20 years at least) always been much more apt to make unsubstantiated ties to right wing groups in initial reports than they have been to hold back and get it right.  

As opposed to saying that anecdotally it seems as if the media is more quick to identify right-wing groups as opposed to left-wing groups. That is something you are indeed qualified to say. 

And, the purpose of that seemingly semantic clarification is that "seems" can be clouded by perception and positioning. 


Edited by agentwhale007 - 03 May 2012 at 1:19pm
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I seriously doubt anyone has taken the time to quantify them, but seriously Whale, take a look back at all the big events like this to the OK City bombings and tell me that the major news organizations have focused more on getting it right than getting it out there.
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Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

Major news outlets have (in the past 20 years at least) always been much more apt to make unsubstantiated ties to right wing groups in initial reports than they have been to hold back and get it right.

Do you have available statistics for this claim? 
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

The media rolls with the information they can be absolutely sure about at the given moment. Or, at least tries to be as careful as they can about what they claim to be sure about. 


I'd like to agree with that Whale, but given previous examples, I can't. Sensationalism breeds fear, fear breeds ratings, and ratings drive dollars. Back to the militia scenario mentioned earlier. Major news outlets have (in the past 20 years at least) always been much more apt to make unsubstantiated ties to right wing groups in initial reports than they have been to hold back and get it right. They'll jump on the "fringe armed militia member" bandwagon and then retract later instead of doing what they're doing in this case saying it's a lone-wolf thing and only then linking them definitively to Occupy. FE is also unfortunately (for the human race that is) correct in that the first news headline/story is the one that people remember and identify as the truth. Again, it seems like Occupy got a pass on this one.

Truthfully, I'm surprised I'm not seeing more cries of "Haymarket" on this one.

Quote Or, you know, it's a grand conspiracy.


I know you're talking to FE with that one, but it still doesn't address the apparent bias mentioned earlier. I think perhaps one of the biggest examples is the OK City Bombing. While McVeigh and Nichols weren't active members of ANY militia organization (and were generally shunned by many of them) the media latched onto the idea that they were without checking the facts before reporting.
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Problem with your story is that all the media had access to the official complaint when they wrote their stories. 

You know, the "facts" that were presented in COURT...



In that document that was the basis for the entire story from all outlets, (as that is how the media found OUT about the attempted bombing) it clearly links these guys to the occupy movement, as that is WHERE the FBI informant FOUND these guys...

I realize you don't want to accept reality, but really... ALL THE STORIES were written based on the facts in the official criminal complaint, which clearly ties them to the Occupy movement. Only ONE media outlet produced the official complaint (CBS). Where the public could dig for themselves to find the facts of the case, since clearly writing them from the complaint wasn't something the media could handle without tainting the story to fit their liberal ideology. 


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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 
Media knows they will be called out for blatant omission of facts, so they "update" the story later, when story is no longer on front page...

Or, for those of you out there who are fans of Occam's Razor: The media rolls with the information they can be absolutely sure about at the given moment. Or, at least tries to be as careful as they can about what they claim to be sure about. 

So, articles written within an hour, or a few hours, of a breaking news event will most likely contain less information than one written two days later -- as the one two days later has allowed those involved to confirm information during those days. 

Or, you know, it's a grand conspiracy. 
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WRONG... It is HIGHLY effective to mislead the general public.


Here is why, something happens. Media writes story, hides facts that don't fit the liberal narrative. Put story on front page and POOF, the majority of the public reads these stories... Other outlets pick them up, and a narrative is born. 

Media knows they will be called out for blatant omission of facts, so they "update" the story later, when story is no longer on front page...

They write other little stories with the facts that are buried way deep into the news cycle, hidden from plain sight, but searchable if you know what to look for. 


Public knows nothing unless they dig, like you just did. 


THAT is what they do, again, and again, and again. It is done on purpose, and as usual, you see nothing wrong...


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