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FreeEnterprise
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 11:26am |
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But, the media is the liberal party super pac... And has been for years. To pretend otherwise is to be naive.
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agentwhale007
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 12:08pm |
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True, projection bias does exist (And it just amazingly interesting to read about). But it doesn't exist in absolutes. One should be careful to note that projection does not mean that the projected accusation does not exist. Nor does it mean that the presence of an accusation - something like being a hypocrite - means the accuser is automatically the thing he is accusing. For example, Subject A accuses Subject B of being a hypocrite. While it can mean that Subject A is accusing Subject B of being a hypocrite as a psychological projection of their own insecurities, it doesn't meant that it is automatically projection. It's also important to note that just because Subject A may be projecting their own insecurities onto Subject B through an accusation of hypocritical behavior, it doesn't mean that Subject B wasn't actually acting in a hypocritical manner. The presence of psychological projection is not a degradation of the quality of the accusation. A basic psychology class will teach that.
Then you show an interesting lack of knowledge of the hostile media effect and the role it plays on audience reception and selective perception biases. Of course, that brings up an interesting quandary of your selective perception and how it pertains to your denial of the existence of the hostile media effect.
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"So when Romney wins in a landslide, what will the liberal media do?"
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Lightningbolt
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 12:08pm |
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If only Wolf Blitzer and Shepard Smith could be President and Vice President. I would curtsey in front of them. Edited by Lightningbolt - 20 January 2012 at 12:12pm |
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agentwhale007
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 12:20pm |
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The data was collected by journalism.org, and is a part of the Pew Center. First we've got the positive:negative ratio: ![]() And here we've got the same information presented with all of the candidate hopefuls: ![]() If the media is indeed the "liberal party super pac," why would they give so many conservative candidate hopefuls, on the aggregate, consistently more positive press coverage than the president, who apparently they are conspiring to keep elected?
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"So when Romney wins in a landslide, what will the liberal media do?"
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agentwhale007
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 12:21pm |
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Don't tempt him.
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"So when Romney wins in a landslide, what will the liberal media do?"
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stratoaxe
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 12:57pm |
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But I very much believe that it makes a difference as to who is in the office. If they broke every promise they ever made and never did a darn thing while they were in office they still influence the market, foreign relations, and the confidence of the people on the whole. I believe that people playing off politics with an attitude of "they all life so screw it" is part of why we're in the shape we're in right now. I'm sure you weren't serious, but there are lots of people out there who are. Generally it's the people that list there political preference on Facebook as "don't care" or "no" or something equally witty.
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stratoaxe
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 1:12pm |
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I would agree that Gingrich is highly intelligent and probably has the most legitimate experience of anyone running at the moment. He also has the personality of broken sex toy and really just his facial expressions alone inspire a kind of resentment from the common person. He's an arrogant, narcissistic jackass and there's very little you can do to overcome that in the political world. It's important to remember that the more intelligent you talk the more foreign you sound to the average person. So while someone like yourself and those of us that follow politics can appreciate his experience and off the cuff knowledge, to everyone else it's just "blah blah blah" with a smartass smirk.
I couldn't agree more, but I'll elaborate after addressing this...
You know this media bias argument is a trifecta of old, irrelevent, and misinformed. Firstly-Drudgereport and Fox news make up a gigantic share of the news world. All hatred towards Fox news aside, they regularly hold the highest number of viewers for their programs. Hell, even Glenn Beck was knocking them out of the park for numbers. Does that have anything to do with the fact that you can put Fox on mute and it becomes a 24 hour softcore porn shoot? Possibly, but regardless, it's like those white people that go on and on about how they've become the minority and nobody listens. It's just so ridiculous it's laughable. The elections in America are still very close. The country is split right down the middle left and right and generally if one side wins or loses it's by just a small percentage of votes. What that tells us is that whoever lost either fumbled the ball, batted a foul, or just plain pulled off a lazy campaign. John McCain did all three. The Republican party needs to refresh its image with the American people, and certainly needs to realize that the tea party is a fringe element and distance itself from those members Am I saying the tea party is full of ignorant hillbillies like some? Not at all. But many of the views coming out of the tea party would be better represented by an independent candidate like Ron Paul than the Republican party. The time spent pandering to the far right elements is exactly how the Dems managed to lose to Bush in 04. They pandered to the far left elements in their party, pandered to the conspiracy nuts that believed Bush was responsible for 9/11, and pandered to the morons who babbled about Bush being an idiot. They made a terrible show and lost. That's what the Republicans have done with this election. They've pandered to the extreme right element when the nation, in just about every study done, clearly sits directly on the fence on most issues. Now they're tearing their main candidate apart, with Newt Gingrich switching from "running for president" to "let's make sure if I don't get it Romney doesn't either" mode, and most of the candidates tearing apart Romney ON HIS REPUBLICAN VIEWPOINTS. Forget gun control, forget abortion, forget his flip flopping, THIS MAN GAVE MILLIONS TO HIS CHURCH AND PROFITED FROM HIS CAPITALISTIC ENTERPRISES. DEAR LORD, HAND IT TO OBAMA ALREADY.
You constantly criticizing mainstream news media and obsession over their inaccuracies is like a health expert spending 24 hours a day researching the ingredients for Taco Bell food. Guess what? Everyone knows that cable news is the fast food of the news world. Whether they lean right or left they all cut corners and put out sensationalized headlines. If people weren't scared that the country were falling apart they'd never switch over to CNN.
You know what else got surprisingly small amounts of news coverage? SOPA and the NDAA. SOPA being a bipartisan effort to censor the internet and NDAA being John McCain's baby child Republican 4th amendment rape machine. MASS RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY YO. |
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agentwhale007
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 1:46pm |
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I've gotten the sense that Gingrich is interested in being part of the national spotlight way more than actually being president.
The last statistic I saw showed a 50/50 Obama/Romney national election. Right now it's about as split as it's going to get, voting-wise.
Penalty. Mixing sports metaphor. Five yards, repeat down.
If I recall, one of the larger Tea Party groups was very vocal this past week against SOPA and PIPA.
Ehhh. Allow me to propose an alternative assessment: They lost because they picked someone who was unbearably boring and wanted to be everything to everyone (Which might sound familiar to things going on today). Kerry wasn't really extreme-left. He was anti-war, yes, but he was less liberal than Howard Dean, his closest rival. The Democrats went for someone who was plain-jane. They avoided Howard Dean because of his enthusiasm and they avoided John Edwards because he used to chase ambulances. Dean was far more left, Edwards was almost a blue-dog. What did they end up with? John Kerry. The most boring political candidate known to man. The most edgy or exciting thing he'd ever done was testify to congress in 1971. He was a boring speaker, a boring campaigner, and a boring debater. He was and is the political equivalent of unseasoned tilapia. And to exaggerate his charisma problem, he had previously held some more-conservative viewpoints and switched positions while campaigning. I think there is a certain connection between Kerry and Romney.
I try to not attribute to political bias what can be better attributed to incompetence.
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 2:05pm |
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I know you like Youtube videos. |
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 2:18pm |
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This radio show lost its credibility upon "murdering unarmed black men in every case, I think" and "friend of Ron Paul's."
Look, I don't think that what Paul wrote makes him a racist. I'll be clear on that. However, what FE said is true-it's a huge issue for any person who casually reads the stuff. Every time I hear Ron Paul's name brought up in the GOP discussions I'm just gonna say the same thing-Good guy, wrong party.
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 2:28pm |
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I 100% agree on the assessment regarding Kerry, he was just an awful candidate. I also agree on some of the comparisons I've heard drawn between him and Romney, the most prominent being that they were both second rate picks to fill in an almost certain loss to a first term president. Where I think the Democrats made their biggest mistake, however, was in the months before the election. They just held a very negative tone, and I feel that they ran for the ridiculous when the obvious deficiencies in that administration were staring them in the face. The Dems could have totally wrecked Bush, but they spent his entire term whining and moaning rather than actually countering his mistakes with common sense. The difference here is that (in my opinon, of course) the Republicans have a much better candidate. Romney is less abrasive than Kerry, and his business history is where his real leg up is. It was a great oppurtunity for the Republicans to market a moderate candidate in a time where there's a lot of questions (even in the enemy camp) as to this leader's competency. I think that they've stumbled even harder than the left did in that the criticisms of this president have ranged from exaggeration to flat out offensive to intelligence. The amount of time spent on his birth certificate was almost mind boggling. Somehow the right has managed to screw up both their chance to call Obama out on his actual mistakes AND complete destroy their candidates' credibility.
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 2:56pm |
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Obama will chew up and spit out romney for a snack if he responds to questions as he did to the tax record questions. He acted like he had pretty hair that day.
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 6:55pm |
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As he should: http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/story/2012-01-19/romney-tax-rate/52682372/1 Tax rate and tax bracket aren't the same thing. At 15% effective tax rate, he's actually paying more than the average American, see the link. FE, that horrible liberal rag, the Washington Post had a nice article about that very subject you brought up earlier and said wouldn't make any major news outlets: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts-law/house-panel-says-federal-prosecutor-intends-to-invoke-right-to-remain-silent-if-summoned/2012/01/20/gIQA5ogqDQ_story.html FARK.com also had it prominently displayed in the politics tab, right there for everyone to see. Also, I'm older than you think. I was getting BJs when they were arguing over it in congress. |
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 7:00pm |
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I know that there's omhw cruising around with new names but didn't know tallen was one of them. just not sure who it is
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 7:06pm |
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Hell, tallen702 has been my handle on the forums since they were created. Nothing new about that name. |
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 7:42pm |
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I was 11 for "I did not have sexual relations with that woman". I was in North Carolina during the summer for a hearing and I remember it on the news.
Also, "testimony from Lewinsky that the President had inserted a cigar tube into her" I didn't know/remember that. AHAHAHAH |
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 7:53pm |
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That, and the stained blue dress were the "OMG" moments of that whole deal. |
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Posted: 21 January 2012 at 2:50am |
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I was 11 at the time, and I remember almost nothing else being on the news.
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Posted: 21 January 2012 at 8:10am |
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I still don't get how it was news.
A boss got a BJ from a secretary. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh KBK |
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Posted: 21 January 2012 at 10:14am |
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NB4 FE: "It wasn't about the BJ, it was about him LYING to the 'Merican people about it." At least the man had a balanced budget..... |
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