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But, the media is the liberal party super pac... And has been for years. To pretend otherwise is to be naive.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


 
Everyone is a hypocrit in some way or another, but when a person has a problem with hypocrisy in others it is usually because they are a hypocrit themselves and they hate themselves for it... So they call that trait out in others. 

That is basic psychology.


True, projection bias does exist (And it just amazingly interesting to read about). But it doesn't exist in absolutes. 

One should be careful to note that projection does not mean that the projected accusation does not exist. Nor does it mean that the presence of an accusation - something like being a hypocrite - means the accuser is automatically the thing he is accusing. 

For example, Subject A accuses Subject B of being a hypocrite. 

While it can mean that Subject A is accusing Subject B of being a hypocrite as a psychological projection of their own insecurities, it doesn't meant that it is automatically projection. 

It's also important to note that just because Subject A may be projecting their own insecurities onto Subject B through an accusation of hypocritical behavior, it doesn't mean that Subject B wasn't actually acting in a hypocritical manner. The presence of psychological projection is not a degradation of the quality of the accusation. 

A basic psychology class will teach that. 
 
Quote I took journalism classes in college, and took media ethics classes...

Then you show an interesting lack of knowledge of the hostile media effect and the role it plays on audience reception and selective perception biases. 

Of course, that brings up an interesting quandary of your selective perception and how it pertains to your denial of the existence of the hostile media effect. 




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If only Wolf Blitzer and Shepard Smith could be President and Vice President.  I would curtsey in front of them.  




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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

But, the media is the liberal party super pac...
 


The data was collected by journalism.org, and is a part of the Pew Center. 

First we've got the positive:negative ratio: 


And here we've got the same information presented with all of the candidate hopefuls: 



If the media is indeed the "liberal party super pac," why would they give so many conservative candidate hopefuls, on the aggregate, consistently more positive press coverage than the president, who apparently they are conspiring to keep elected? 
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Originally posted by Lightningbolt Lightningbolt wrote:

Bill can bang out a garbage can for all I care 


Don't tempt him. 
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Originally posted by Lightningbolt Lightningbolt wrote:

Why do intelligent people fall for the sensationalized garbage?

they all lie mkay

Do most politicians make promises they can't keep? Absolutely. Do most of them outright lie? Probably.
 
But I very much believe that it makes a difference as to who is in the office. If they broke every promise they ever made and never did a darn thing while they were in office they still influence the market, foreign relations, and the confidence of the people on the whole.
 
I believe that people playing off politics with an attitude of "they all life so screw it" is part of why we're in the shape we're in right now. I'm sure you weren't serious, but there are lots of people out there who are. Generally it's the people that list there political preference on Facebook as "don't care" or "no" or something equally witty.
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 
 
Newt is really smart, and can pull accurate facts and figures and stories out of his huge base of knowledge that would make him very interesting to debate Obama... Who would have to get a few more teleprompters to help him out of the mess it would create.
 
Does that make him a good leader, being able to debate?... Probably not.
 
I would agree that Gingrich is highly intelligent and probably has the most legitimate experience of anyone running at the moment.
 
He also has the personality of broken sex toy and really just his facial expressions alone inspire a kind of resentment from the common person. He's an arrogant, narcissistic jackass and there's very little you can do to overcome that in the political world.
 
It's important to remember that the more intelligent you talk the more foreign you sound to the average person. So while someone like yourself and those of us that follow politics can appreciate his experience and off the cuff knowledge, to everyone else it's just "blah blah blah" with a smartass smirk.
 
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

The problem I have with republicans is they are the charlie browns of politics.

They think the media will let them kick the football, so they get teed up and EVERY time end up on their back looking like a fool.
 
I couldn't agree more, but I'll elaborate after addressing this...
 
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 
Until they get it through their head that the main stream media hates them and wants them to fail (while they vote democratic in EVERY election) they will continue to look like fools.
 
You know this media bias argument is a trifecta of old, irrelevent, and misinformed.
 
Firstly-Drudgereport and Fox news make up a gigantic share of the news world. All hatred towards Fox news aside, they regularly hold the highest number of viewers for their programs. Hell, even Glenn Beck was knocking them out of the park for numbers.
 
Does that have anything to do with the fact that you can put Fox on mute and it becomes a 24 hour softcore porn shoot? Possibly, but regardless, it's like those white people that go on and on about how they've become the minority and nobody listens. It's just so ridiculous it's laughable.
 
The elections in America are still very close. The country is split right down the middle left and right and generally if one side wins or loses it's by just a small percentage of votes.
 
What that tells us is that whoever lost either fumbled the ball, batted a foul, or just plain pulled off a lazy campaign. John McCain did all three. The Republican party needs to refresh its image with the American people, and certainly needs to realize that the tea party is a fringe element and distance itself from those members
 
Am I saying the tea party is full of ignorant hillbillies like some? Not at all. But many of the views coming out of the tea party would be better represented by an independent candidate like Ron Paul than the Republican party. The time spent pandering to the far right elements is exactly how the Dems managed to lose to Bush in 04. They pandered to the far left elements in their party, pandered to the conspiracy nuts that believed Bush was responsible for 9/11, and pandered to the morons who babbled about Bush being an idiot. They made a terrible show and lost.
 
That's what the Republicans have done with this election. They've pandered to the extreme right element when the nation, in just about every study done, clearly sits directly on the fence on most issues.
 
Now they're tearing their main candidate apart, with Newt Gingrich switching from "running for president" to "let's make sure if I don't get it Romney doesn't either" mode, and most of the candidates tearing apart Romney ON HIS REPUBLICAN VIEWPOINTS. Forget gun control, forget abortion, forget his flip flopping, THIS MAN GAVE MILLIONS TO HIS CHURCH AND PROFITED FROM HIS CAPITALISTIC ENTERPRISES. DEAR LORD, HAND IT TO OBAMA ALREADY.
 
 
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 
If you really think the media isn't completely biased, then you need to add newsbusters to your daily reading... A few weeks of that and you will change your tune. I took journalism classes in college, and took media ethics classes... I see the rules broken daily by the major networks in the way they ask questions, ignore citing sources, and using editing/camera angles to project a certain viewpoint. Just because you buy in, and don't realize you are being manipulated, doesn't mean it isn't happening to you!
 
You constantly criticizing mainstream news media and obsession over their inaccuracies is like a health expert spending 24 hours a day researching the ingredients for Taco Bell food. Guess what? Everyone knows that cable news is the fast food of the news world. Whether they lean right or left they all cut corners and put out sensationalized headlines. If people weren't scared that the country were falling apart they'd never switch over to CNN.
 
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

So, we just heard that The DOJ is pleading the fifth on the fast and furious issue... Will it be on the front page of the major news?...
 
You know what else got surprisingly small amounts of news coverage? SOPA and the NDAA. SOPA being a bipartisan effort to censor the internet and NDAA being John McCain's baby child Republican 4th amendment rape machine. MASS RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY YO.
 
 
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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

  He's an arrogant, narcissistic jackass
 

I've gotten the sense that Gingrich is interested in being part of the national spotlight way more than actually being president. 

Quote The elections in America are still very close.
 

The last statistic I saw showed a 50/50 Obama/Romney national election. Right now it's about as split as it's going to get, voting-wise. 

Quote fumbled the ball, batted a foul

Penalty. 

Mixing sports metaphor. 

Five yards, repeat down. 
 
Quote Am I saying the tea party is full of ignorant hillbillies like some?
 

If I recall, one of the larger Tea Party groups was very vocal this past week against SOPA and PIPA. 

Quote The time spent pandering to the far right elements is exactly how the Dems managed to lose to Bush in 04.
 

Ehhh. 

Allow me to propose an alternative assessment: They lost because they picked someone who was unbearably boring and wanted to be everything to everyone (Which might sound familiar to things going on today). 

Kerry wasn't really extreme-left. He was anti-war, yes, but he was less liberal than Howard Dean, his closest rival. 

The Democrats went for someone who was plain-jane. They avoided Howard Dean because of his enthusiasm and they avoided John Edwards because he used to chase ambulances. Dean was far more left, Edwards was almost a blue-dog. 

What did they end up with? 

John Kerry. The most boring political candidate known to man. The most edgy or exciting thing he'd ever done was testify to congress in 1971. He was a boring speaker, a boring campaigner, and a boring debater. He was and is the political equivalent of unseasoned tilapia. 

And to exaggerate his charisma problem, he had previously held some more-conservative viewpoints and switched positions while campaigning.

I think there is a certain connection between Kerry and Romney. 
 
Quote Whether they lean right or left they all cut corners and put out sensationalized headlines. If people weren't scared that the country were falling apart they'd never switch over to CNN.

I try to not attribute to political bias what can be better attributed to incompetence. 
 
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Ron Paul has that huge race issue from his newsletter...
 




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This radio show lost its credibility upon "murdering unarmed black men in every case, I think" and "friend of Ron Paul's."

Look, I don't think that what Paul wrote makes him a racist. I'll be clear on that. However, what FE said is true-it's a huge issue for any person who casually reads the stuff.
 
Every time I hear Ron Paul's name brought up in the GOP discussions I'm just gonna say the same thing-Good guy, wrong party.
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:


Allow me to propose an alternative assessment: They lost because they picked someone who was unbearably boring and wanted to be everything to everyone (Which might sound familiar to things going on today).
 
I 100% agree on the assessment regarding Kerry, he was just an awful candidate. I also agree on some of the comparisons I've heard drawn between him and Romney, the most prominent being that they were both second rate picks to fill in an almost certain loss to a first term president.
 
Where I think the Democrats made their biggest mistake, however, was in the months before the election. They just held a very negative tone, and I feel that they ran for the ridiculous when the obvious deficiencies in that administration were staring them in the face.
 
The Dems could have totally wrecked Bush, but they spent his entire term whining and moaning rather than actually countering his mistakes with common sense.
 
The difference here is that (in my opinon, of course) the Republicans have a much better candidate. Romney is less abrasive than Kerry, and his business history is where his real leg up is. It was a great oppurtunity for the Republicans to market a moderate candidate in a time where there's a lot of questions (even in the enemy camp) as to this leader's competency. I think that they've stumbled even harder than the left did in that the criticisms of this president have ranged from exaggeration to flat out offensive to intelligence. The amount of time spent on his birth certificate was almost mind boggling.
 
Somehow the right has managed to screw up both their chance to call Obama out on his actual mistakes AND complete destroy their candidates' credibility.
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Obama will chew up and spit out romney for a snack if he responds to questions as he did to the tax record questions. He acted like he had pretty hair that day.
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Originally posted by Lightningbolt Lightningbolt wrote:

Obama will chew up and spit out romney for a snack if he responds to questions as he did to the tax record questions. He acted like he had pretty hair that day.


As he should:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/story/2012-01-19/romney-tax-rate/52682372/1

Tax rate and tax bracket aren't the same thing. At 15% effective tax rate, he's actually paying more than the average American, see the link.

FE, that horrible liberal rag, the Washington Post had a nice article about that very subject you brought up earlier and said wouldn't make any major news outlets: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts-law/house-panel-says-federal-prosecutor-intends-to-invoke-right-to-remain-silent-if-summoned/2012/01/20/gIQA5ogqDQ_story.html FARK.com also had it prominently displayed in the politics tab, right there for everyone to see.

Also, I'm older than you think. I was getting BJs when they were arguing over it in congress.
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I know that there's omhw cruising around with new names but didn't know tallen was one of them.  just not sure who it is
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Originally posted by Lightningbolt Lightningbolt wrote:

I know that there's omhw cruising around with new names but didn't know tallen was one of them.  just not sure who it is



Hell, tallen702 has been my handle on the forums since they were created. Nothing new about that name.
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I was 11 for "I did not have sexual relations with that woman". I was in North Carolina during the summer for a hearing and I remember it on the news.

Also,

"testimony from Lewinsky that the President had inserted a cigar tube into her"

I didn't know/remember that. AHAHAHAH
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Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

I was 11 for "I did not have sexual relations with that woman". I was in North Carolina during the summer for a hearing and I remember it on the news.

Also,

"testimony from Lewinsky that the President had inserted a cigar tube into her"

I didn't know/remember that. AHAHAHAH



That, and the stained blue dress were the "OMG" moments of that whole deal.
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I was 11 at the time, and I remember almost nothing else being on the news.
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I still don't get how it was news.

A boss got a BJ from a secretary. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh

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Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

I still don't get how it was news.

A boss got a BJ from a secretary. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh

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