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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Oh and a question, did not the typewriter and media actually become a favored tool of the 'facist'? The campaigns of Mussolini as well as Hitler depended on print media to support the cause. And the media kinda followed along hesitant, but more than willing.

Not to change too much from the topic at hand, but I can address this. 

I comes along with my change in interest during the course of the past year from structured journalism to communication in general - particularly the influence of the technical progression of communication machines and how it relates to society. 

The statement (Borrowed from Woody Guthrie) matched with a communication machine -- the typewriter -- is more of the point I was trying to make, not really anything to do with the media. It's more to do with the ability to democratize information and voices. It happened with the printing press and it's happened with the Internet, and everything between. 

Over time, the ability to mass-produce and distribute a message has done more to topple oppression, I think, than bullets could ever do. 

"So when Romney wins in a landslide, what will the liberal media do?"
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

[QUOTE=oldsoldier]

Over time, the ability to mass-produce and distribute a message has done more to topple oppression, I think, than bullets could ever do. 



Sounds like a Gene Sharp quote.
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Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:


Sounds like a Gene Sharp quote.

I'll take that as a compliment. 
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Room? No, a blanket spread out under the starry skys on a crisp Arizona evening. 
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Room? No, a blanket spread out under the starry skys on a crisp Arizona evening. 

And Obama in a g-string with 5,000 semi's full of shovels and dodge balls 

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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Room? No, a blanket spread out under the starry skys on a crisp Arizona evening. 


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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Oh and a question, did not the typewriter and media actually become a favored tool of the 'facist'? The campaigns of Mussolini as well as Hitler depended on print media to support the cause. And the media kinda followed along hesitant, but more than willing.

Actually, Hitler was a huge advocate of the word of mouth in order to further his cause. He always thought literature was an inefficient way of spreading ideas and getting them to hold in the intended audience.
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Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:


Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Oh and a question, did not the typewriter and media actually become a favored tool of the 'facist'? The campaigns of Mussolini as well as Hitler depended on print media to support the cause. And the media kinda followed along hesitant, but more than willing.
Actually, Hitler was a huge advocate of the word of mouth in order to further his cause. He always thought literature was an inefficient way of spreading ideas and getting them to hold in the intended audience.


Don't forget film. Hitler LOVED him some good old fashioned propaganda thinly veiled as a movie. He was, in general, a fan of almost all of the arts with the exception of literature. While he authored quite a few books himself, he was not a fan of other people's works regardless of subject matter.
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Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:

I hate it when people pull cards.  Don't you, FE?


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Interesting facts the media and liberal democrats (oh wait, I'm repeating myself) are ignoring when they promote ObamAA++...

1. A staggering 48 percent of all Americans are either considered to be “low income” or are living in poverty.

2. Approximately 57 percent of all children in the United States are living in homes that are either considered to be “low income” or impoverished.

3. If the number of Americans that “wanted jobs” was the same today as it was back in 2007, the “official” unemployment rate put out by the U.S. government would be up to 11 percent.

4. The average amount of time that a worker stays unemployed in the United States is nowover 40 weeks.

5. One recent survey found that 77 percent of all U.S. small businesses do not plan to hire any more workers.

6. There are fewer payroll jobs in the United States today than there were back in 2000 even though we have added 30 million extra people to the population since then.

7. Since December 2007, median household income in the United States has declined by a total of 6.8 percent once you account for inflation.

8. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 16.6 million Americans were self-employed back in December 2006. Today, that number has shrunk to 14.5 million.

9. A Gallup poll from earlier this year found that approximately one out of every fiveAmericans that do have a job consider themselves to be underemployed.

10. According to author Paul Osterman, about 20 percent of all U.S. adults are currently working jobs that pay poverty-level wages.

11. Back in 1980, less than 30 percent of all jobs in the United States were low income jobs. Today, more than 40 percent of all jobs in the United States are low income jobs.

12. Back in 1969, 95 percent of all men between the ages of 25 and 54 had a job. In July, only 81.2 percent of men in that age group had a job.

13. One recent survey found that one out of every three Americans would not be able to make a mortgage or rent payment next month if they suddenly lost their current job.

14. The Federal Reserve recently announced that the total net worth of U.S. households declined by 4.1 percent in the 3rd quarter of 2011 alone.

15. According to a recent study conducted by the BlackRock Investment Institute, the ratio of household debt to personal income in the United States is now 154 percent.

16. As the economy has slowed down, so has the number of marriages. According to a Pew Research Center analysis, only 51 percent of all Americans that are at least 18 years old are currently married. Back in 1960, 72 percent of all U.S. adults were married.

17. The U.S. Postal Service has lost more than 5 billion dollars over the past year.

18. In Stockton, California home prices have declined 64 percent from where they were at when the housing market peaked.

19. Nevada has had the highest foreclosure rate in the nation for 59 months in a row.

20. If you can believe it, the median price of a home in Detroit is now just $6000.

21. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 18 percent of all homes in the state of Florida are sitting vacant. That figure is 63 percent larger than it was just ten years ago.

22. New home construction in the United States is on pace to set a brand new all-time record low in 2011.

2319 percent of all American men between the ages of 25 and 34 are now living with their parents.

24. Electricity bills in the United States have risen faster than the overall rate of inflation for five years in a row.

25. According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, health care costs accounted for just 9.5 percent of all personal consumption back in 1980. Today they account for approximately 16.3 percent.

26. One study found that approximately 41 percent of all working age Americans either have medical bill problems or are currently paying off medical debt.

27. If you can believe it, one out of every seven Americans has at least 10 credit cards.

28. The United States spends about 4 dollars on goods and services from China for every one dollar that China spends on goods and services from the United States.

29. It is being projected that the U.S. trade deficit for 2011 will be 558.2 billion dollars.

30. The retirement crisis in the United States just continues to get worse. According to the Employee Benefit Research Institute, 46 percent of all American workers have less than $10,000 saved for retirement, and 29 percent of all American workers have less than $1,000 saved for retirement.

31. Today, one out of every six elderly Americans lives below the federal poverty line.

32. According to a study that was just released, CEO pay at America’s biggest companies rose by 36.5 percent in just one recent 12 month period.

33. Today, the “too big to fail” banks are larger than ever.  The total assets of the six largest U.S. banks increased by 39 percent between September 30, 2006 and September 30, 2011.

34. The six heirs of Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton have a net worth that is roughly equal to the bottom 30 percent of all Americans combined.

35. According to an analysis of Census Bureau data done by the Pew Research Center, the median net worth for households led by someone 65 years of age or older is 47 times greaterthan the median net worth for households led by someone under the age of 35.

36. If you can believe it, 37 percent of all U.S. households that are led by someone under the age of 35 have a net worth of zero or less than zero.

37. A higher percentage of Americans is living in extreme poverty (6.7 percent) than has ever been measured before.

38. Child homelessness in the United States is now 33 percent higher than it was back in 2007.

39. Since 2007, the number of children living in poverty in the state of California has increased by 30 percent.

40. Sadly, child poverty is absolutely exploding all over America.  According to the National Center for Children in Poverty, 36.4 percent of all children that live in Philadelphia are living in poverty, 40.1 percent of all children that live in Atlanta are living in poverty, 52.6 percent of all children that live in Cleveland are living in poverty and 53.6 percent of all children that live in Detroit are living in poverty.

41. Today, one out of every seven Americans is on food stamps and one out of every fourAmerican children is on food stamps.

42. In 1980, government transfer payments accounted for just 11.7 percent of all income. Today, government transfer payments account for more than 18 percent of all income.

43. A staggering 48.5 percent of all Americans live in a household that receives some form of government benefits. Back in 1983, that number was below 30 percent.

44. Right now, spending by the federal government accounts for about 24 percent of GDP. Back in 2001, it accounted for just 18 percent.

45. For fiscal year 2011, the U.S. federal government had a budget deficit of nearly 1.3 trillion dollars. That was the third year in a row that our budget deficit has topped one trillion dollars.

46. If Bill Gates gave every single penny of his fortune to the U.S. government, it would only cover the U.S. budget deficit for about 15 days.

47. Amazingly, the U.S. government has now accumulated a total debt of 15 trillion dollars. When Barack Obama first took office the national debt was just 10.6 trillion dollars.

48. If the federal government began right at this moment to repay the U.S. national debt at a rate of one dollar per second, it would take over 440,000 years to pay off the national debt.

49. The U.S. national debt has been increasing by an average of more than 4 billion dollars per day since the beginning of the Obama administration.

50. During the Obama administration, the U.S. government has accumulated more debt than it did from the time that George Washington took office to the time that Bill Clinton took office.


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/50-facts-about-the-u-s-economy-that-will-shock-you/




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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:





Seriously? You're going to quote The Blaze? For those not in the know, theblaze.com was founded by Glenn Beck. You know, the guy who said the following comparing the victims of the Norway shootings to Hitler Youth:

"There was a shooting at a political camp which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler Youth or whatever, you know what I mean. Who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing."

Or this about a whole sect of Judaism:

"Reform Rabbis are generally political in nature. It's almost like radicalized Islam in a way where it's less about religion than it is about politics."

Seriously? It's like you aren't even trying anymore FE.


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Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:


Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Oh and a question, did not the typewriter and media actually become a favored tool of the 'facist'? The campaigns of Mussolini as well as Hitler depended on print media to support the cause. And the media kinda followed along hesitant, but more than willing.
Actually, Hitler was a huge advocate of the word of mouth in order to further his cause. He always thought literature was an inefficient way of spreading ideas and getting them to hold in the intended audience.


Don't forget film. Hitler LOVED him some good old fashioned propaganda thinly veiled as a movie. He was, in general, a fan of almost all of the arts with the exception of literature. While he authored quite a few books himself, he was not a fan of other people's works regardless of subject matter.

Are you suggesting that this differentiated him from the rest of the World somehow? 

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K, so Tallen doesn't like glenn beck... good to know...

But, each fact has the associated news article that covered said fact... Which none of them are quoting Glenn Beck, course you could click the hyperlinks to see that, but I guess it is just easier to ignore it, because I pulled it from the blaze, right?...

That was pretty weak Tallen, I expect more from you.
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Quote 6. There are fewer payroll jobs in the United States today than there were back in 2000 even though we have added 30 million extra people to the population since then.

This is an OUTRAGE!  What in the hell are these 30 million newborns-11 year olds doing with their time?!  Are they too sissified to work  a 14 hour shift in the saw mill?  back in my day, this would never have been allowed.  Back when kids were MEN!

Quote 26. One study found that approximately 41 percent of all working age Americans either have medical bill problems or are currently paying off medical debt.

It's funny that this is a complaint coming from the same group that was ranting andraving about how great privatized healthcare is and that our system doesn't need fixing.  


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They weren't talking about adding children necessarily, but the increase in the census numbers (illegals? legals, and terrrrorists, as well as children).

and medicare, and medicade have been around for a long time, and are no way "privatized" healthcare.
 
We have been on the european march towards socialized medicine for decades. And one look at Europe tells us that it doesn't work fiscally...
 
But, lets keep doing the same thing and hope for change!


Our government spent almost $2.5 billion every single day this year...


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