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Originally posted by CHiKUN_PiMP CHiKUN_PiMP wrote:


God I hate Austin, Texas.

What do you expect? Their motto is keep Austin weird
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The troubling issue for me is that, as oldpb was saying, I think that alot of peopl are just genuinely ignorant of how a free market system works.

Our people have a fantastic way of life here, even the poorest among us lives better than most of the world. It's just not possible for everyone to enjoy everything all the time, and that's a lesson my generation struggled with.

My sociology teacher said that my generation and the one after is going to deal with the the difficult lesson that we likely won't enjoy the prosperity of our parents. Industry is shifting, and most of us enjoyed a great free ride via our parents, and we don't understand the idea of barely surviving.

I know from my own experience that if you'd have told me when I was in high school I'd be 24, living with my sister, and struggling to pay my bills just to get my bachelor's down in distant hope of achieving graduate school I'd have probably shot myself. But part of life is adapting, and my generation has a metric ton of adapting to do.

Alot of these people would rather adapt the system to meet their own hardships. Rather than excercising some ingenuity and problem solving, let's whine and moan about entitlement and fair share. Let's picket and protest the people that DID make it big, be it by luck or skill, because we lacked one or both. It just bugs me.

It also worries me, because I believe eventually enough people are going to want the easy way out that they'll change the direction of our country to something that frankly scares me.
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"Keep Austin Weird"
I feel shame everytime I hear that.
It's a slogan for tourism and to capitalize on quirky people(the likes of which, actually used to inhabit this town and make it a fun place... until people took it as their cue to act like jackasses).
"Force Austin Scenesterism." is more appropriate, because everyone knows metrosexual trust fund babies buy lots of stupid things.


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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:


It also worries me, because I believe eventually enough people are going to want the easy way out that they'll change the direction of our country to something that frankly scares me.


"Hey guys, have you heard of socialism? I heard through some guy that it can't become corrupt or greedy! Let's nationalize socialism!"
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Originally posted by CHiKUN_PiMP CHiKUN_PiMP wrote:

I feel shame everytime I hear that.It's a slogan for tourism and to capitalize on quirky people(the likes of which, actually used to inhabit this town and make it a fun place... until people took it as their cue to act like jackasses)."Force Austin Scenesterism." is more appropriate, because everyone knows metrosexual trust fund babies buy lots of stupid things.


Dude I love Austin. There are some pretentious scenesters and hippies there for sure, but 6th street is the probably the most fun, easy going bar run in the state. Everybody's chill, and for the most part it's just college kids and musicians. I found the people there to be incredibly likeable.

If you want to meet some douchers, head my way. I'll take you and Linus downtown DFW and we can watch the middle aged guys in Affliction shirts try to pick up high school girls while the bartender ignores you because they force her to wear skimpy outfits to keep the aforementioned douchebag happy because every other girl in the bar turned him down or gave him herpies
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But then, don't we get back to the problem with paying more than is needed to get the job done, which decreases profits, therefore lowering gains by stockholders, resulting in investors and fund managers buying less stock of those companies and ending in the company sliding?

Potentially. 

But it's not guaranteed, by any equation or economic means. 

The general argument is that the companies could bend more - some argue way more - without having any of that actually happen, largely because of the profits that have been, and are being, sat upon by companies. 

And it comes down to the company's role within society. What people are pushing for is a more-regulated form of capitalism within society. 

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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

The troubling issue for me is that, as oldpb was saying, I think that alot of peopl are just genuinely ignorant of how a free market system works.
 

Some are. Some, however, know how raw capitalism works and don't care much for it. 

Quote Our people have a fantastic way of life here, even the poorest among us lives better than most of the world.

This gets thrown around quite a bit in discussion. 

While indeed true I don't think it's anywhere near enough of a reason to stop trying to improve things. 

Quote My sociology teacher said that my generation and the one after is going to deal with the the difficult lesson that we likely won't enjoy the prosperity of our parents.
 

Indeed. 

And going back to the previous point, I think a lot of people see deregulated capitalism as the reason for this. Thus their desire for some kind of change, misguided or not. 

Quote Alot of these people would rather adapt the system to meet their own hardships. Rather than excercising some ingenuity and problem solving, let's whine and moan about entitlement and fair share.
 

Careful now. That can be inserted into a lot of criticism of protests throughout history, even ones where the ones doing the protesting are now widely seen as correct. 



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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

While indeed true I don't think it's anywhere near enough of a reason to stop trying to improve things. 


Agreed, but I think that the definition of improvement is what's at stake here.

I certainly don't support a purely deregulated form of capitalism, but I do question how much regulation really affects or benefits the average joe. I'm all for working against corporate greed, and I for sure would love to see restructuring and enforcement of the tax code. But my problem is in the vision of my generation. I think that there are many that are, at the risk of going full FE, simply pushing for redistribution of wealth. When they say they want to regulate big business, I think many just want big business to support them.

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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:


 But then, don't we get back to the problem with paying more than is needed to get the job done, which decreases profits, therefore lowering gains by stockholders, resulting in investors and fund managers buying less stock of those companies and ending in the company sliding?

I'll use a real world example here of how what you said doesn't happen automatically. 

Look up Costco. 

They're doing rather well financially. Check out their stock growth from 2003 until now.

They've gone through impressive growth, and I believe they hold the record for the fastest company to hit $3 billion in sales from their conception. They had $71 billion in revenue in 2009. 

And they're notorious for how well they treat their employees compared to other comparable companies, namely Target and WalMart (Really more of WalMart, as they have Sam's Club). 

As of the last available stats, 85% of their employee force has company health care, compared to less than half with Walmart and Target. Costco's average hourly pay is $17 per hour, 42% higher than Sam's Club. Costco has remarkably low employee turnover compared to other retail stores. Very few of their employees are unionized, even though the company is fine negotiating with unions, because they just don't feel the need to. 

So Costco treats their employees head-and-shoulders better than other retail competitors, and has set all kinds of financial records, and has a stable, growing stock. 

Could they be making more money and sit on more profit if they didn't do that? Potentially. But what are they losing in the process? 


Edited by agentwhale007 - 11 October 2011 at 2:21pm
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Being management/owner for over 20 years,  if you get tired of the ankle biters for demanding too much you just take your ball and go home.  It's just the position that management is in.

Piss-poor attitudes from employees can drive the optional feeling of social obligation right out of you.



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Strato- I don't hate Austin really, I'm just tired of the drug fueled scenesters wanting the world to change while doing nothing to change themselves and the hipsters who dress like they're characters at disneyland.
Austin is a nice place to visit, but it eventually gets frustrating to live in such a hipstertastic town.
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Originally posted by Lightningbolt Lightningbolt wrote:

Piss-poor attitudes from employees can drive the optional feeling of social obligation right out of you.


I dare say the potential for increased profit margins is much more of the provocative bait. 
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I'm really not familiar with Costco. I also am not a huge fan of Walmart/Sams. I do shop at Sams, but rarely at Walmart. I would actually consider Walmart a part of our countries problems and feel they are one of the biggest reasons for the failure of the mom and pop specialty shops. I also find it sincerely hilarious how all the people here are so pro union and demonize Wally World while spending a huge amount of their hard earned dollars there. I don't consder this to be a very big area and I have 4 Super Walmarts within 20 minutes of where I'm at. I'm certain one of the main reasons they are able to offer such low prices is due to the low wages they offer their employees.

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Watch "The High Cost of Low Prices" on Netflix, Wal-Mart has murdered the local economy of many cities. I detest Wally world and refuse to shop there.

Though to be fair, Wal-Mart driving out mom and pop shops is probably better if you look at it on the whole. Capitalism will eventually either dissolve or merge smaller operations in favor of larger, it's just how competition works. Mom and pop operations are traditionally defined by little to no outward growth, and stagnation is death to the market. Competition is the name of the game, and in that sense Wal-Mart is as Anerican as they come.
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Originally posted by CHiKUN_PiMP CHiKUN_PiMP wrote:

Strato- I don't hate Austin really, I'm just tired of the drug fueled scenesters wanting the world to change while doing nothing to change themselves and the hipsters who dress like they're characters at disneyland.
Austin is a nice place to visit, but it eventually gets frustrating to live in such a hipstertastic town.

It sounds like you live on the drag or in some hippie commune. I agree that the people who spend inordinate amounts of money just to achieve the look of not having money are annoying, and that the drag rats are the epitome of suck, but I feel like you are paying too much attention to them.

Besides, the dumb ones are always the loudest.

Regarding the discussion at hand, I've failed to see any unifying theme (or at least something other than general discontent), so I haven't paid much attention to it. The Occupy Wall St. thing was at least an intelligible movement on some level, but I see so many things being posted on the facebook feed about some sort of occupation/movement that are (at least on the surface) unrelated in any meaningful way.

Other than that, I'll take my stock position of simply agreeing with Whale unless stated otherwise.
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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

Watch "The High Cost of Low Prices" on Netflix, Wal-Mart has murdered the local economy of many cities. I detest Wally world and refuse to shop there.

Though to be fair, Wal-Mart driving out mom and pop shops is probably better if you look at it on the whole. Capitalism will eventually either dissolve or merge smaller operations in favor of larger, it's just how competition works. Mom and pop operations are traditionally defined by little to no outward growth, and stagnation is death to the market. Competition is the name of the game, and in that sense Wal-Mart is as Anerican as they come.
I think it also destroys competition. As smaller companies can't compete they go out of business. It also makes it difficult for small companies to survive if they cannot meet the national demands of being able to supply the mega stores. Another thing that goes out of the window is quality. Cheap prices + lower qualtiy = opening the door for garbage from China. People want more for less, they don't care if it breaks in 1/4 of the time. It's part of the hypocrisy of the America. People want to complain about low wages, but they patronize stores the underpay their employees in order to satisfy their demand for cheap crap. If the occupy ______er's want to talk about greed, maybe they should look at the invidividuals whose greed to have more for less.
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People that say "just be be more creative, work harder, have some ingenuity" are vastly oversimplifying how things work. Sure, some people will get a golden idea and make their own way with it, but you know damn well most people don't work that way. Some people are destined to be service workers for a variety of reasons, and telling them they aren't working hard enough is total crap, especially when you're referring to someone working 3 jobs to barely support a family.

The issues aren't just with unemployability, but with the huge disparity between positions. The ratio of pay between American CEO's to the average worker is 475:1 while in Japan it is 11:1.

People are unhappy because this large of a gap is just uneccesary. Yes they are a CEO, yes they (likely) worked very hard for their successes, but the gap between them and the next rung is insane here, and doesn't need to be that large. That's sort of a big slap in the face to a lot of the working class.
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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

I think it also destroys competition. As smaller companies can't compete they go out of business. It also makes it difficult for small companies to survive if they cannot meet the national demands of being able to supply the mega stores. Another thing that goes out of the window is quality. Cheap prices + lower qualtiy = opening the door for garbage from China. People want more for less, they don't care if it breaks in 1/4 of the time. It's part of the hypocrisy of the America. People want to complain about low wages, but they patronize stores the underpay their employees in order to satisfy their demand for cheap crap. If the occupy ______er's want to talk about greed, maybe they should look at the invidividuals whose greed to have more for less.

I understand the point you are driving at, but you are sounding a lot like the discontented occupiers.

Besides, you're basically describing the capitalist progression. Don't like it? Support your local socialist movement

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Honestly, who cares? Sure, I'd like more money, but I'm not willing to sacrifice the very idea of this country for my own selfish wants. It's terrifying that a lot of people are.



The only way to get rid of the "1%" is to transform the country into a communistic type country.


I'm not for that.


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