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FreeEnterprise
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Posted: 27 September 2011 at 12:57pm |
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Ø stands for ZERO JOBS
and the AA++ for being the FIRST PRESIDENT EVAR to hurt the countries credit rating to AA from AAA...
So yeah, it fits, and is necessary, as many of you guys were on the "keynesian" intercontinental train ride built by the navy corPsman that travels to that elusive 57th state...
I'd be wittier, but I didn't get a free ivy league education that would have made me understand how to spin liberalism from failure to success...
Besides, even with my public education from NC, even I know where Colorado is located...
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Posted: 27 September 2011 at 2:15pm |
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It's data. Do you have an actual criticism of the collection or analysis of the data?
Regulations and taxes are completely different things with completely different mechanics and completely different purposes. To intentionally conflate them is being intentionally obtuse.
This is a false assumption that the basis of economy is simply market. The government forms the setting to take place. The services offered and utilized from the government to business keeps the cogs moving, and keeps business competitive and active. This is a concept even Adam Smith could grasp.
I cannot tell if you are being intentionally obtuse by ignoring the facts of the HCRA that have been discussed here before, but this has been well covered. The HCRA requires that all citizens of the U.S. purchase health insurance, almost exclusively from private health care companies. It is giving the private health care companies a blank check tethered to the U.S. population. It's this aspect of the HCRA that is being examined, currently, for its constitutionality. This is, in no political or economic terms, a "take over" of any industry. There are well defined lines that are followed when a government "takes over" the health industry, as often happens in more liberal countries. All insurance is operated and centrally organized through the state. Doctors operated and are organized through the state. The state controls all health related budgets, and occasionally, some private specialists are permitted to operate. The HCRA does none of that. It's partially why the thing is a mess.
And your blame for this, if it is indeed true, is with the health insurance companies increasing their prices because they can just as much as it is with any legislation.
You still don't know what that word means. Funny.
One, I don't believe this is a legitimate concern to have. Two, if and when that day actually comes, it will happen after a growth in affordable renewable energy and a revamping of the U.S. grid to handle a more diverse array of energy.
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"So when Romney wins in a landslide, what will the liberal media do?"
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Posted: 27 September 2011 at 2:17pm |
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Two questions. One, did you read the downgrade report? Two, do you know what the countries with AAA ratings all happen to have in common?
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"So when Romney wins in a landslide, what will the liberal media do?"
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Posted: 27 September 2011 at 2:17pm |
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Perry would be the antithesis of Obama.
However, Romney will end up getting the nomination due to the fact that more moderates would vote for him than Perry.
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Posted: 27 September 2011 at 2:36pm |
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So a large population country is incapable of maintaining an AAA rating?
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Posted: 27 September 2011 at 3:04pm |
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Posted: 27 September 2011 at 3:48pm |
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You asked what they all have in common, and the 3 largest population countries now all lack AAA credit.
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Posted: 27 September 2011 at 3:51pm |
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It's an interesting correlation for sure. I wasn't being snarky when I asked, it was an honest question. Is excess population level something that is prohibitive in keeping a stable enough economy to warrant a top credit rating? It's probably not a bad variable to consider. If you look at the countries with full AAA ratings, they are all smaller countries - both population and geographical.
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Posted: 27 September 2011 at 3:54pm |
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I do believe that the statistic of Federal Income taxes being lower now than than the 50's is probably true, but the total amount of all taxes combined paid by the taxpayer is now considerably higher than the 50's where many of the current taxes did not even exsist yet.
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Posted: 27 September 2011 at 6:58pm |
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You ACTUALLY believe this?
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The previous CEO of Godfather Pizza and Republican presidential confident Herman Cain claims he thought of stopping his campaign two times. That was before he achieved the Florida "Presidency Five" straw poll Saturday. Herman Cain considered quitting his campaign twice before straw poll. It has been an especially rocky campaign period for the GOP, which seems to embrace “darlings” of the moment and then turn on them in rapid succession. The in-fighting and the lack of solidarity in the party — possibly due to the rise in influence of the Tea Party, which many believe is sharply dividing conservatives — has made it difficult for a front-runner to emerge. Perry is only the most recent front-runner to lose favor. Should Cain receive the nomination, it would be a historic campaign, with two black men vying for the highest office in the nation.
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Posted: 28 September 2011 at 12:33am |
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This is the problem that I just pointed out. You take a political movement with no real political ideology (sorry, cutting taxes doesn't count as an ideology since the existing Republican party has pushed tax cuts for a while) and give it an influence in Washington, the kooks and nutcases are going to step in and use the faceless movement to forward their agendas. While YOU may have no political agenda other than lowering taxes and cutting spending (again, traditional conservative economics), this is clearly not the case in the Republican party. The tea party is opposed to all but the most right wing candidates, and they're using their voice to accomplish this goil. What teabaggers don't seem to understand is while they can manipulate the Republican party, the voters don't care about their agenda. Extreme right or left wing candidates are unelectable, and getting back to the topic of this thread, putting in uber conservative right wingers is just going to cost the Republicans an election. So what the tea party will achieve is to give the country back to the dems for another four years. But just like people who voted for Perot, they're too blind to see who they're really giving their vote to. They think the country is in some kind of right wing revolution, when all studies and polls point to a centrist position (something that has been drilled over and over on this forum). In fact, most conservatives I know have moved a little over to the left the past few years. A faceless movement in politics is dangerous because it WILL get twisted one way or the other. Also...Chris Christie. Just more proof that the powers that be on the right will push literally any name but Romney's. /facepalm Edited by stratoaxe - 28 September 2011 at 12:36am |
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Posted: 28 September 2011 at 2:12am |
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The previous CEO of Godfather Pizza and Republican presidential confident Herman Cain claims he thought of stopping his campaign two times. That was before he achieved the Florida "Presidency Five" straw poll Saturday. Article source: Herman Cain considered quitting his campaign twice before straw poll.Actually this may consider a long battle of campaign for Cain.And I'm glad it has been resulted to a victory straw poll.
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Posted: 28 September 2011 at 2:30am |
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Political spambot?
What's it's angle? KBK |
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Posted: 28 September 2011 at 7:53am |
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It's a subliminal advertisement for straw.
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Posted: 28 September 2011 at 8:31am |
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You don't?
2008-2010 Who was in control of the house? Pelosi
2008-2010 Who was in control of the Senate? Reid
2008-2010 Who is in the white house? Obama.
2009 they would need to pass a 2010 budget, The democrats were totally in charge of everything. It is called a super majority. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2009/04/the-democratic-supermajority-what-does-it-mean/16799/
They didn't need a SINGLE republican vote for ANYTHING.
That my friend is ABSOLUTE CONTROL... You can't blame "bush" or anyone else, for what followed. If doing their job and passing a budget was important... THEY WOULD HAVE!
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT FOLLOWING THEIR MOST BASIC JOB... Budgets... They only care about increasing government spending (more power and control for them).
April 29th 2009 was the date of the last budget that passed through congress and the president signed...
"Passing a yearly budget for the federal government is a fundamental responsibility of Congress. Lawmakers do not have to spend their time naming post offices or passing health care reform. But they do have to pass a budget. In 2010, neither the House nor the Senate did so. It’s not that members just didn’t get around to it, which would have been scandalous enough. No, Reid and then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi feared that passing a budget would hurt their chances in the November midterm elections. So they did nothing and took a beating at the polls anyway.
Now Pelosi is out of the picture. But Reid is still at it. The Republican-controlled House has passed a budget, but Reid will not produce a Democratic spending proposal. And if Reid doesn’t want to pass a budget, then a budget won’t be passed; the majority leader controls what is and what is not considered in the Senate. “There’s no need to have a Democratic budget, in my opinion,” Reid told the Los Angeles Times last week. “It would be foolish for us to do a budget at this stage.” Instead, Reid wants to wait to see if the deficit-reduction meetings led by Vice President Biden bear any fruit. Before that, Reid wanted to wait for the Gang of Six — now nearly defunct — to come up with something. Sessions was appalled when he read Reid’s words. “It was a fundamental statement that they’re playing politics,” Sessions said. “They don’t think it’s politically smart to produce a budget. They’d rather produce nothing and attack Paul Ryan and the Republicans and think they’re going to gain politically by avoiding their fundamental statutory responsibility. It’s pretty breathtaking to me.” Reid isn’t alone. The chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, Kent Conrad, is also happy to not produce a budget. Last week, he told reporters that he planned to “defer” work on a 2012 budget indefinitely. It drives Republicans crazy that Democrats could so brazenly abandon such a basic responsibility. On Monday morning, all 47 GOP senators signed a letter to Reid in hopes of shaming the majority leader into action. “Last year, Congress failed to pass a budget, failed to pass any of the twelve annual appropriations bills, and failed the nation by recklessly funding the government on a series of short-term spending bills,” the letter said. “The Senate cannot make the same mistake again.” Oh, yes it can. At Reid’s instigation, the Senate will engage this week in a meaningless faux debate over the budget. Reid wants the Senate to vote on the House-passed GOP/Ryan budget, so that Reid and fellow Democrats can accuse Republicans of voting to kill Medicare. In return, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell will likely force a vote on President Obama’s proposed budget from a few months ago that did virtually nothing to reduce the deficit, so Republicans can accuse Democrats of ignoring the fiscal crisis. All that will take place instead of the Senate having a substantive debate and coming up with a compromise budget that can actually pass." I can't believe you don't know that... Unreal, what is with our media that the public doesn't know the way the democrats are blatantly abusing their power... And the media covers for them so you don't know this...
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Posted: 28 September 2011 at 9:25am |
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Here is an interesting article about Cain.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/herman_cain_swims_with_the_sharks.html
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Posted: 28 September 2011 at 9:40am |
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WAIT...
Where did I say CUT taxes?
See what you did there, you twisted it? The movement isn't about CUTTING taxes! It is about taxed ENOUGH ALREADY!
Even you don't see the difference. What the movement is about is the level we are at right now, KEEP IT THE SAME!
Now that means that the government will have to only SPEND what it takes in RIGHT NOW... NO MORE. and yet, they are spending litterally TRILLIONS more than they bring in.
Not Billions... TRILLIONS.
That is the issue, the massive spending, NOT TAXES. (because everyone realizes that if you increase spending, over time you WILL HAVE TO increase taxes to cover the new debt incurred with the massive spending).
The media wants everyone to focus on taxes, but the issue is not taxes but spending. Clearly you are buying into the hype.
The tea party is not about cutting taxes, but about cutting government spending to force them to live within their means, to make a budget and stick to it. It isn't a novel concept but the shocking thing is how so many miss the entire point.
But, that is the goal of a liberal media, to twist the message to something they can destroy, regardless if it is true or not.
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Posted: 28 September 2011 at 10:13am |
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You are conflating the issues of taxation with the issue of expenditures. While they often do have a relationship, they are not the same things.
And because of increased population and changes in society, you'll have to spend more, and at some point you will have to assess the taxation situation to see if what you are collecting is appropriate.
You profess that the group is an acronym for the false premise of "taxed enough already." If the group doesn't want to be seen as focusing on taxes, they're certainly not doing a very good job.
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Posted: 28 September 2011 at 12:50pm |
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The report does state it was the fault of the whole government, including the administration. I'm not trying to take away the blame from the other branches of government at all. I'm just saying the report does say that. |
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