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Originally posted by ParielIsBack ParielIsBack wrote:

Invade them and take their monies.  This has worked in the past, albeit slightly differently.


Actually I was reading that somewhere that it was a matter of time until somebody invades somebody because of the lack of resources of a specific country. For example, back in the late 1800's world superpowers were taking over areas of interest over-seas for their resources or prime military and or geographical positions. Since the world is in a decline, something has to happen to jump start their own economies. Maybe China would invade because we've stopped buying their products or investing in them?






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Originally posted by Rofl_Mao Rofl_Mao wrote:


Actually I was reading that somewhere that it was a matter of time until somebody invades somebody because of the lack of resources of a specific country. For example, back in the late 1800's world superpowers were taking over areas of interest over-seas for their resources or prime military and or geographical positions. Since the world is in a decline, something has to happen to jump start their own economies. Maybe China would invade because we've stopped buying their products or investing in them?
 
... and then Germany ruined it for the rest of us by overdoing it - twice. 
 
Stopping that type of asset-grabbing shenanigans is exactly why the UN exists.  The UN's purpose is to preserve the status quo, and it actually does this fairly effectively (at least after the end of the cold war).
 
Resource-motivated invasions have happened after WWII, but have generally been repelled by the UN.  See Iraq v. Kuwait (1989), for example.


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Originally posted by Donald Blake Donald Blake wrote:

Originally posted by Rofl_Mao Rofl_Mao wrote:


Actually I was reading that somewhere that it was a matter of time until somebody invades somebody because of the lack of resources of a specific country. For example, back in the late 1800's world superpowers were taking over areas of interest over-seas for their resources or prime military and or geographical positions. Since the world is in a decline, something has to happen to jump start their own economies. Maybe China would invade because we've stopped buying their products or investing in them?
 
... and then Germany ruined it for the rest of us by overdoing it - twice. 
 
Stopping that type of asset-grabbing shenanigans is exactly why the UN exists.  The UN's purpose is to preserve the status quo, and it actually does this fairly effectively (at least after the end of the cold war).
 
Resource-motivated invasions have happened after WWII, but have generally been repelled by the UN.  See Iraq v. Kuwait (1989), for example.
NB4: It didnt stop us from grabbing Iraq.
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NB4: It didnt stop us from grabbing Iraq.


Lol.

Although some might say you've squandered your moneis on that small war. With disgruntled soldiers who are dying for no real reason, and no monies to pay them I'm reminded of a certain countey in the early 1900's.

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I think our military is going to be far less happy when the budget drops off in the next two or three years.  In the grand scheme of things, we've had a low casualty rate in Iraq and Afghanistan, we have an extremely motivated military and defense establishment, and we haven't had recruitment issues in four or five years.
 
We've definitely squandered lives and money on the war, but the situation with regard to our military is nothing like you describe.
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Originally posted by ParielIsBack ParielIsBack wrote:

and we haven't had recruitment issues in four or five years.
 
Not arguing, but if recruitment numbers are good/fine wy do I hear so many people complaining about the number of tours they are having to do? I thought our military was stretched thin? It's not exactly like the WW's where kids were lying about their birthdates or joining the RAF to "get into the fight."
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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Originally posted by Donald Blake Donald Blake wrote:

Originally posted by Rofl_Mao Rofl_Mao wrote:


Actually I was reading that somewhere that it was a matter of time until somebody invades somebody because of the lack of resources of a specific country. For example, back in the late 1800's world superpowers were taking over areas of interest over-seas for their resources or prime military and or geographical positions. Since the world is in a decline, something has to happen to jump start their own economies. Maybe China would invade because we've stopped buying their products or investing in them?
 
... and then Germany ruined it for the rest of us by overdoing it - twice. 
 
Stopping that type of asset-grabbing shenanigans is exactly why the UN exists.  The UN's purpose is to preserve the status quo, and it actually does this fairly effectively (at least after the end of the cold war).
 
Resource-motivated invasions have happened after WWII, but have generally been repelled by the UN.  See Iraq v. Kuwait (1989), for example.
NB4: It didnt stop us from grabbing Iraq.
 
Don't forget Afghanistan. Embarrassed
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Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

NB4: It didnt stop us from grabbing Iraq.
 
Don't forget Afghanistan. Embarrassed
I knew you wouldnt be able to pass this one by.
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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Originally posted by ParielIsBack ParielIsBack wrote:

and we haven't had recruitment issues in four or five years.
 
Not arguing, but if recruitment numbers are good/fine wy do I hear so many people complaining about the number of tours they are having to do? I thought our military was stretched thin? It's not exactly like the WW's where kids were lying about their birthdates or joining the RAF to "get into the fight."
 
At the same time, there's no mass exodus either.  People are reenlisting even after they do two tours in three or four years.  It'd be hard to find a time in history when our military had better benefits.
 
We were stretched thin in 2007-2008, but no one's getting stop-lossed these days, and we're looking at cuts in military spending and reduction in force sizes around the corner.  We're definitely not in a pickle.
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Originally posted by Donald Blake Donald Blake wrote:

Originally posted by Rofl_Mao Rofl_Mao wrote:


Actually I was reading that somewhere that it was a matter of time until somebody invades somebody because of the lack of resources of a specific country. For example, back in the late 1800's world superpowers were taking over areas of interest over-seas for their resources or prime military and or geographical positions. Since the world is in a decline, something has to happen to jump start their own economies. Maybe China would invade because we've stopped buying their products or investing in them?
 
... and then Germany ruined it for the rest of us by overdoing it - twice. 
 
Stopping that type of asset-grabbing shenanigans is exactly why the UN exists.  The UN's purpose is to preserve the status quo, and it actually does this fairly effectively (at least after the end of the cold war).
 
Resource-motivated invasions have happened after WWII, but have generally been repelled by the UN.  See Iraq v. Kuwait (1989), for example.


Hmm, seems like a lot of the countries that are involved with Libya, are apart of the U.N.

The U.N. will only get involved, if a country not apart of their club, goes after resources first.
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Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Originally posted by Donald Blake Donald Blake wrote:

Originally posted by Rofl_Mao Rofl_Mao wrote:


Actually I was reading that somewhere that it was a matter of time until somebody invades somebody because of the lack of resources of a specific country. For example, back in the late 1800's world superpowers were taking over areas of interest over-seas for their resources or prime military and or geographical positions. Since the world is in a decline, something has to happen to jump start their own economies. Maybe China would invade because we've stopped buying their products or investing in them?
 
... and then Germany ruined it for the rest of us by overdoing it - twice. 
 
Stopping that type of asset-grabbing shenanigans is exactly why the UN exists.  The UN's purpose is to preserve the status quo, and it actually does this fairly effectively (at least after the end of the cold war).
 
Resource-motivated invasions have happened after WWII, but have generally been repelled by the UN.  See Iraq v. Kuwait (1989), for example.


Hmm, seems like a lot of the countries that are involved with Libya, are apart of the U.N.

The U.N. will only get involved, if a country not apart of their club, goes after resources first.
There it is.
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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Originally posted by Donald Blake Donald Blake wrote:

Originally posted by Rofl_Mao Rofl_Mao wrote:


Actually I was reading that somewhere that it was a matter of time until somebody invades somebody because of the lack of resources of a specific country. For example, back in the late 1800's world superpowers were taking over areas of interest over-seas for their resources or prime military and or geographical positions. Since the world is in a decline, something has to happen to jump start their own economies. Maybe China would invade because we've stopped buying their products or investing in them?
 
... and then Germany ruined it for the rest of us by overdoing it - twice. 
 
Stopping that type of asset-grabbing shenanigans is exactly why the UN exists.  The UN's purpose is to preserve the status quo, and it actually does this fairly effectively (at least after the end of the cold war).
 
Resource-motivated invasions have happened after WWII, but have generally been repelled by the UN.  See Iraq v. Kuwait (1989), for example.
NB4: It didnt stop us from grabbing Iraq.


I am not aware that the US has appropriated any national resources from Iraq.  If that was a resource-motivated invasion, it was the worst such invasion in history.  As far as I can tell, the second invasion of Iraq has resulted in a significant amount of US funds being expended to build Iraqi infrastructure (after first blowing it up).

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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:



Hmm, seems like a lot of the countries that are involved with Libya, are apart of the U.N.

The U.N. will only get involved, if a country not apart of their club, goes after resources first.
There it is.


... except that none of those countries will be looting Libya.
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We never claimed to be any good at invading.
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Can't tell is DB's sketchy meter is working or not. In case it's not, I was joking and wondering how long it would take a certain someone to throw that down.

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There is a difference between the military being stretched thin and the military being at capacity or fully manned. There is only so much money allocated to paying salaries, so there is only so many positions that can be filled. And with budget cuts the amount of positions goes down.

Which is why right now the navy is making up new ways to kick people out such as tougher PFA standards and Preform to Serve.


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1. Reduction in real or perceived duties for the branch of service.
2. Reduction in appropriations for said service.
3. Reduction in personnel.
 
Frankly, there isn't a lot of saying "no" going on in Washington with regards to military spending.
 
But regardless, that wasn't the point.  People are more than happy to join the military at the moment, and there certainly isn't the backlash from the services or family organizations against repeated deployments there was three or four years ago.
 
If they really do change military benefits (especially cutting retirement salaries) that could change rapidly.


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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Can't tell is DB's sketchy meter is working or not. In case it's not, I was joking and wondering how long it would take a certain someone to throw that down.



Due to Poe's Law, I have deactivated my sarcasm detector, and take all posts at face value.
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Originally posted by Donald Blake Donald Blake wrote:

Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Can't tell is DB's sketchy meter is working or not. In case it's not, I was joking and wondering how long it would take a certain someone to throw that down.



Due to Poe's Law, I have deactivated my sarcasm detector, and take all posts at face value.
Still trying to figure out if you insulted me or not. I'll check the internet handbook and respond appropriately.
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:)
 
I do believe we entered Iraq, because Saddam wanted to drop USD, for oil trading.
 
But I think the main reason we entered both Afghanistan, and Iraq. Is because of the strategic surrounding of Iran. Our higher ups are pretty worried about that country.
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