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Also, Canada sent out 6 CF-18's on Friday to help enforce the no-fly zone in Libya. This includes 140 support personnel. 


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Originally posted by Rofl_Mao Rofl_Mao wrote:

Also, Canada sent out 6 CF-18's on Friday to help enforce the no-fly zone in Libya. This includes 140 support personnel. 

It's a hell of a lot more than a no fly zone. Our CF-18s haven't done air to mud ops since Kosovo in 1999...
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Canada? France? Who else is joining this "Lets use some of these munitions, so we can order some more and not lose our budget"?

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Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

What this is is the first time the international community has really taken the concept of Responsibility to Protect seriously, and enforced it with a proper Chapter 7 U.N. mandate followed by military action. The correct precedent is being set, and after this, expectations will be higher for developed states to intervene when acts of atrocity are underway.


Yeah, my knee-jerk reaction was "oh great, more US military action" but I checked it out to see what it was, and this is pretty much how I feel.
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$112 million is petty cash to pretty much any country though.
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Troll thread, has to be.

112 million is nothing overall in the context of military action.

112 million to destroy air defenses could save significantly more money in the coalition aircraft and personnel which will be put at less risk.

To say that reasonable military action should not be taken in Libya because of cost is ridiculous and self-centered. It is expensive. Live with it. It is worth it.

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Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Canada? France? Who else is joining this "Lets use some of these munitions, so we can order some more and not lose our budget"?



Right, because there's absolutely no reason that the international community would work together aside from wanting shiny new weapons.




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Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:


Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Canada? France? Who else is joining this "Lets use some of these munitions, so we can order some more and not lose our budget"?

Right, because there's absolutely no reason that the international community would work together aside from wanting shiny new weapons.

Lol follow the money, brah.
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Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Canada? France? Who else is joining this "Lets use some of these munitions, so we can order some more and not lose our budget"?


U.S., Britain, Canada, France, Spain, Denmark, Norway, Italy, Belgium, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Greece, Turkey, and just for giggles, the Dutch.
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I have to say Gadahfi has that whole nutty dictator look and retheric down packed. Just wish he had an army of giant robots or mega lazers and an Island shaped like a Skull to make him the best Nemesis for America Ever.
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Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Canada? France? Who else is joining this "Lets use some of these munitions, so we can order some more and not lose our budget"?


U.S., Britain, Canada, France, Spain, Denmark, Norway, Italy, Belgium, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Greece, Turkey, and just for giggles, the Dutch.
 
Why in the world, is the US there? It seems like we are not needed.
 
So when we take control of Libya, are we going to divide it up among each other. Will the countries who spent the most money, get bigger and better portions?
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Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Canada? France? Who else is joining this "Lets use some of these munitions, so we can order some more and not lose our budget"?


U.S., Britain, Canada, France, Spain, Denmark, Norway, Italy, Belgium, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Greece, Turkey, and just for giggles, the Dutch.
 
Why in the world, is the US there? It seems like we are not needed.
 
So when we take control of Libya, are we going to divide it up among each other. Will the countries who spent the most money, get bigger and better portions?


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Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Canada? France? Who else is joining this "Lets use some of these munitions, so we can order some more and not lose our budget"?


U.S., Britain, Canada, France, Spain, Denmark, Norway, Italy, Belgium, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Greece, Turkey, and just for giggles, the Dutch.
 
Why in the world, is the US there? It seems like we are not needed.
 
So when we take control of Libya, are we going to divide it up among each other. Will the countries who spent the most money, get bigger and better portions?

You really don't know a whole lot about any of what you're talking about, do you?
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Yeah, that is remarkably dumb, I'm hoping it was a joke.
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There was sarcasm in it.
 
So we took out there air defenses. It's all done, we go home? We let the rebels rebuild the country and start their own goverment? We come in, help the people rebuild their country and goverment? We try to rebuild but have a onslaught of "insurgency" from the rebels? We stay for years to come trying to restore order?
 
What happens next?
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Hold on a sec, let me call up my good buddy Admiral Locklear and find out what his plan is.
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Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

What I want to know is where all the liberal outrage is against the naked aggression our war-mongering president has shown against the poor Libyan government.


As has been noticed, there is a bunch of left-wing criticism of coalition/US involvement. This time, though, it's in response to the actual violence, and not the fact that our president (and his administration) lied* to the country in order to garner support for the war effort. The left was on-board with Bush until it became obvious that the situation wasn't as simple as our simple-minded Commander in Chief had presented it as.

*I know that using that word is oversimplifying it to the point of absurdity, but meh. Different discussion that has been had too many times before on here.
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This whole episode is just a reinforcement of the tried and true Democrat War vs Republican War media battle, if the bombs have a 'D' on them it is a just a legal action, if the bombs have a 'R' on them it is a unjust an illegal 'war'.

For all the claims of Bush's 'Wars for Oil' not one barrel of Iraqi crude has offloaded in the US, yet the perception from the left it was and still is a War to sieze Iraqi oil.

This new 'No Fly Zone' fiasco will mimic the last two fiasco's of the post Gulf War 1 (Desert Storm) Northern Iraq 'No Fly Zone' as well as Clinton's Balkan 'No Fly Zones'. US and co-allition aircraft will be shot down by SAM's, orders will be given to take out SAM and AAA sites, pilots will go down, ground troops will need to go in to rescue downed airmen (Air Force Search and Rescue, as well as Navy will begin to demand ground troops to defend rescue and pickup sites) and then in order to decrease response times to go after downed pilots ground bases, for search and rescue as well as the security troops (Marines) will be established. Escolation in situations like this are natural in the face of military as well as political concerns of the lives of the aircrews performing the missions, both No Fly and Search and Rescue.

Look at Bosnia and the Balkans, when an aircraft went down it was a S&R Bird with troop slicks, ground troops went in secured rescue site, S&R bird went in and grabbed the crew. Now when the inevitable clash between Libyan forces and rescue forces occurs, the natural escolation process will begin.

This whole fiasco has nothing but bad written all over it, and wait till the first captured airman video hits the news media, won't be pretty.

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