Democratic party throws a hissy fit...

scotchyscotch wrote: More tax = more money to pay teachers.  More money= better people will become teachers as it's worth the while. better people=better results better results= more money for students (graduates) more money for graduates= more money they will spend on milk, bread and cristal. = more money for everyone else. I may be inebriated but, problem?

Edited by stratoaxe - 18 February 2011 at 11:29pm

Unions HAD a purpose at one time. Now they are just a corrupt bunch of leaders who want thier 'suitcase' every month and donate millions to friendly political (see Democrat) hacks. The rank and file are only relevant during negotiations where dues are to be increased. What if the millions the unions take in dues and give to polititians is put into rank and file benifit programs? Only then will polititians (see Democrats) also feel the pinch as the 'support' wains. Why are these donations only based on the leaders whims, not the co-operation of all union members. The studies are that Democrats recieve the bulk of 'donations' yet the Republican rank and file can not voice thier opinion on these donations.

How much more are the private sector to be taxed in order to continue these 'cadillac' benifits programs for unions across the board. Why is bussiness forced to search for cheaper and cheaper labor. Of course a teacher who has to pay taxes as well as union dues feels he/she deserves more.

From public sector UAW/AFL-CIO union types pricing American workers out of the manufacturing industry (who is willing to pay for a $400 union made I-Pod)or the auto industry who have needed bailouts due to ever higher labor costs, and still try and market vehicles that the American public do not want.

The day you relize that the taxes you pay go into a hole that only dolls out to the prefered programs will you realize the problem.

Here in Nebraska school sports and band etc are still funded by school taxes, parents are not required to buy equipment, uniforms and instruments, why because comman sense fiscal practices, and teachers are on par with private sector in pay and benifits, not golden parachute union demanded budget breaking programs.

Private sector is losing the pay and benifit battles, but public employees are to be exempt because they are GOVERNMENT employees, and so special under this administration.

It is not UNION BUSTING to ask for some form of fiscal responsibility from the rank and file as well as the UNION LEADERS and Democrat polititians who seem to reep the vast amount of rewards from dues, not the rank and file.

And when is $100K a year so bad for a teachers salary and benifits?
http://maciverinstitute.com/2010/03/average-mps-teacher-compensation-tops-100kyear/
so that teachers are not well paid FAILS in this Wisconsin arguement.
How many of you who support this 'protest' make $100K in pay and benifits?

Edited by oldsoldier - 19 February 2011 at 8:00am

agentwhale007 wrote: oldsoldier wrote: And when is $100K a year so bad for a teachers salary and benifits? I'd be interested to see how that calculation is being made in that article/video by the speaker. It says that average pay is $56,000, but then says that fringe benefits will be $100,000. What is a fringe benefit for a teacher?

GroupB wrote: stratoaxe wrote:   I don't much about this story, but I do know that here in Texas teacher pay is PATHETIC, and as such we have one of the worst education rates in the union, if not the worst.   I don't think you can blame that solely on teacher's pay.

oldsoldier wrote: And as other nations surpass the US in core hard subjects, the US is content teaching (wasting time) on all the social experimentation subjects as India, China, Europe teach advanced math, science and language skills.

I read a description of people this afternoon that made me think of certain parties on this forum.

"Conditioned to be reflexively partisan"

Dune wrote: Unfortunately Walker's ideas are spreading and Ohio's governor is attempting to "break the backs of the unions." (His words) As a teacher, the potential danger for bills like this scare me. Not for my pension or benefits, but for what will happen to the educational system when a salary cap is placed on Ohio teachers. No one will want to teach. It's the passion and desire that makes a good teacher, but when you have to hold down two other jobs just to keep above the poverty line, no thanks. At least in Ohio, our governor is confusing capitalism with socialism.  EDIT: Looking at the thread title, FE thinks that every teacher protesting is a Democrat. Step into my school and you'll see the many many Republicans that voted for our governor that would now do anything to take it back. This is not a party line.

I was completely shocked to learn that every male teacher I've had in college was very middle of the road conservative. In fact, my government teacher did whole lectures on how Bush was wrongly judged in his time by partisan slander from the opposing party. Good teachers teach critical reasoning and objective thought, and partisans HATE independent thinker, because they can't make the "reflexively partisan" (thanks Reb, I'm completely jacking that )

The idea that teachers are predominately liberal is so outdated it's not even funny.

Found this on the Internet yesterday: 

Lets get some facts on the thread... Since it is now full of democratic "talking points"... AKA lies.

Your constant trodding on teachers is starting to get under my skin.

Its quite clear of what you think of them.

1. All democrat. Without exception
2. paid too much to do so little
3. not worthy of having an opinion.
4. expendable.
5. so overpaid that demanding more money from them specifically is a great idea. Forget looking elsewhere in the budget, these people are mere babysitters looking to indoctrinate your children to an evil liberal agenda.

You may know a lot of things about a lot of things, but its abundantly clear that what you know about public educators is remarkably thin. Its apparent since you keep painting them as the front line of the democrat agenda.

So you'd 'fire' all these state employees calling in sick huh? Then what? Then your school and public systems are shut down for even longer, and the positions filled with potentially LESS qualified people who could possibly make the entire system even MORE broken, just because you want to make a political point. Who would you fill the empty teaching positions with? More democrats? especially since they're all left-leaning anyway. How long would it take you to find good line-toting right wingers to fit your agenda? In the meantime.....where is your education system going? Congratulations Mr. Governor, you just ruined Wisconsin.
Kudos for thinking that one through.