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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Originally posted by The Reaper The Reaper wrote:

Would focusing on people with muslim type names and running them through more security be prudent then?...


I'm confused also as to how that would work. Who would determine if a name was "Muslim" or not? I know quite a few Muslims with Western names.

At what point in the flying process would names be checked? What would they be checking for? What is the "Running through security" thing you're talking about and how would it be different than our current No-Fly list?

Profiling Muslims gets nothing done. There are flights packed with, serviced by, and piloted by Muslims coming from and going to the Middle East and other areas of high Islamic concentration every day. It isn't the religion that's the direct cause, it's exposure to religious/political extremism.

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And then you see something like this...

 
 
Take away the gunz...
 
 

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Hey look... I found a "non-Partisan" voter fraud case!
 
 
Maybe he was a republican... Lets look into that.
 
 
Here is his facebook page...
 
 
 
Oh wait, he was a vice principle at a public high school... nevermind probably a big donkey.
 
 
 
And speaking of the rampant Democratic voter fraud going on right now... American Thinker had an excellent article about the phenomenom. With many of the same points I have been offering over the past year or two...
 
 
 
 
"The reports are rolling in from all over the country.  A Craven County, NC resident attempts to vote a straight Republican ticket but his choices come up straight Democrat four times, despite receiving assistance from poll workers.  In NC's Lenoir County, registered Democrat Ervin Norville also tries to vote straight Republican but finds that his ballot has the names of several Democrat candidates selected.  Boulder City, NV resident Joyce Ferrara says that when she and several others went to vote for Sharon Angle, they found that Senator Harry Reid's name was already checked off.  In Dallas County, TX' congressional district 30, Democrat Eddie Bernice Johnson's name was the only one on the ballot in a few locations (no, she isn't running unopposed).  And some states have been late in mailing out military absentee ballots, whose recipients, interestingly, are known for their Republican leanings. 

These happenings are generally referred to as "mistakes" and "glitches," but if that's all they are, then we're witnessing a truly historic anomaly.  Because either the mainstream media is now suppressing stories of mistakes and glitches benefitting Republicans, or the laws of probability have suddenly been rescinded and tossed coins are coming up donkey tails every time.  Welcome to American elections, Venezuelan style.

I have long said that this election would see vote fraud of unprecedented magnitude.  And it does seem that a perfect storm of such criminality is brewing.  The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals just struck down an Arizona law requiring proof of citizenship to vote, a treasonous act that facilitates vote fraud.  Of course, some liberals are more forthcoming about their intentions; in Portland, ME and New York City, there is a push to allow non-citizens to vote.  Not to be outdone, San Francisco seeks to allow even illegal aliens to cast ballots in school elections.  Hey, why not?  They're not illegals - they're undocumented Democrats. 

Then there is the matter of the fox guarding the polling house.  It has now been learned that the technicians who work on the Nevada voting machines that have been checking off Harry Reid's name are members of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), a leftist organization that has given tens of millions of dollars to Democrats.  (By the way, do you remember all the complaints about "antiquated" paper ballots after the 2000 election?  I knew that all the talk about "hanging chads" and the need for modern technology would lead to vote fraud.  After all, now elections can be swayed by a well-placed, skilled hacker and there's no paper trail.)

Add to this the fact that the left is more brazen than ever.  For one thing, laymen liberals, like their judges, are very influenced by precedent.  And the liberal delusion that George W. Bush stole the 2000 election - thus drawing first blood - gives leftists a handy rationalization for actually stealing elections.  Second, Barack Obama's DOJ's refusal to prosecute the Philadelphia Black Panthers - despite videotape evidence of their voter intimidation - sends the message that the left has almost carte blanche to sway elections by any means necessary. 

Most of all, though, we have to remember that leftists are, well, leftists.  They are simply much more corrupt than those on the right.  I know, this sounds like blind partisanship, so I'll explain.        

I'll introduce this with a point once made by former military-intelligence man Ralph Peters about how you could understand the Taliban: You have to view them as aliens.  His point was that most people have trouble conceiving of mindsets radically different from their own and, consequently, often mistakenly assume that others operate by the same principles they do.  Even liberals recognize this phenomenon - when they warn of "ethnocentrism."  I, however, am more concerned about conservocentrism.

If you're an average bright-eyed conservative and you really want to understand leftists, begin by viewing them as aliens.  Because they really aren't like you, and the difference isn't simply ideology, either.  They truly are far more dishonest, deceitful and manipulative than conservatives.   

In explaining why this is so, I'll again draw an analogy to Islamists.  Many have pointed out that Western and Islamic thought dictate very different things with respect to honesty.  While the West's formative religion, Christianity, teaches that lying is a sin, period, Islam states that lying to an infidel for the glory of Allah is a good.  In other words, Christians can lie, but they must commit what they consider a sin to do so.  Muslims can do so with what they view as divine approval.

Another difference is that Islamic thought includes a concept known as "dual truth," which basically states, writes American Thinker's Patrick Poole, "that what may be true in the realm of religion may be contrary to what is true in nature."  Thus, even if an action is forbidden in Islamic texts, Muslims may be able to take it in the "real world."  It's always convenient when you have more than one "truth" with which to justify behavior.

This brings us to liberals.  Like Islamists, they have more than one "truth" from which to choose, something they readily admit to with pronouncements such as "That is your truth; someone else's might be different."  To be precise, however, they use the word "truth" loosely, as a synonym for taste, and don't actually believe in Truth, properly defined (i.e., divinely ordained morality).  They are moral relativists.

What does this mean?  It means the sky - or perhaps I should say the netherworld - is the limit for behavior restrictions.  Unlike Islamists, they don't have to find their justifications in medieval texts or complex philosophical contortions, as their credo is simple: "If it feels good, do it."  Without belief in anything that transcends man to use as a yardstick for behavior, they ultimately have nothing left to use but the "god within," which is just a gussied-up name for emotion.  And their emotion-driven ends really do justify their means.  If they feel conservatives are "evil," conservatives must be.  And if they feel that any tactic necessary to vanquish that evil is fair game, it must be.  Understand that beneath the light of their deified feelings, lying, cheating or stealing to win elections is not merely justifiable - it is a "good," and one they do with the only approval they need: self-approval.  They are aliens from a planet much like the Hell described by the Devil in an old comic strip (in The New Yorker, I think) when he said, "There's no right or wrong down here.  It's whatever works for you."  It is a place where there is a wall of separation between man and Truth.

And the truth is that in this election, as in every one, some races will be close enough so that vote fraud can be a factor.  So how should we proceed once results are in?  First, conservatives need an attitude adjustment: They have to understand the nature of their enemy (as outlined above) and become warriors.  We mustn't for a moment entertain the notion that the best thing for the nation after a suspicious loss is to concede the race graciously.  Rather, the best thing for the nation is to oust the alien vote-snatchers from power by any moral means necessary.

Second, we must recognize that razor-close races almost always go Democrat for a reason (think: Al Franken in Minnesota) and view every such loss as a probable vote-fraud scenario.  Then we must analyze exit polling - which has become a very precise science - for discrepancies between its findings and election results.  And when they are found, the matter must be sifted to the very bottom.

Alien vote-snatchers are worse than murderers.  They not only steal votes but also our future; they undermine the rule of law and threaten the republic itself.  In a saner time, they would probably be hanged.  And if it becomes apparent that the government - the Eric Holder DOJ, judges and others - has become so corrupt that it will preserve its power by negating the votes of the people, then we should consider our Founding Fathers' words: "whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends [life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness], it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...." 

Let's see if the attempt at alteration works this November 2."



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What is remarkable, is that at this event there were two different people assaulted. One had to have medical treatment, and got zero press... But the activist, is now a martyr. (clearly the guy who stomped her was in the wrong though).
 
What is amazing is the way the tea party guy who got his finger bitten off, that wasn't a story. Or the beatdown by the SEIU thugs on Kenneth Glandney that put him in the hospital... Neither of which were national stories...
 
 
 
 
But, this activist... Now she is a victim, especially when she told her story about being chased from the front of the car and trying to "get away" from the mob... Uh, oh... someone was shooting video and it destroys her credibility, as it shows her shoving the sign in Rand Pauls face. (assault with a sign?...)
 
Anyway, only one news source will cover this I bet... Let's look at their biased unfair coverage...
 

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That video did seem non biased and fair.

I can't stand fox news or any other american news source. Mainly because they always have an opinion. The fact that this story (lady stomping) is getting so much coverage is evidence of the messed up priorities. It's as if all the news sources are tabloid papers and I and the vast majority of people in Britain know to take what they say with a pinch of salt. I'm sure it's the same is America but the amount of coverage this booorriinngg partisan pish gets is silly
  
Every time one of these teabag / pesky lefty stories comes around I can't usually find anything interesting or realisticly relevant. Get over it.
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I legitimately need to see nothing more of that "stomping" video. That guy was obviously in the wrong no matter what she did, unless she was beating people with her sign.

High five on keeping it in one thread though Thumbs Up

EDIT: That fox news trying to say the woman caused her "stomping" is pretty biased and unfair. She was grabbed before she even had a chance to stick a sign into the car, but obviously that is what she was doing.


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Originally posted by __sneaky__ __sneaky__ wrote:

Originally posted by The Reaper The Reaper wrote:

Oh those funny muslims...

 
 
 
 
 
Yes, because Christians are so well known for cussing out a wedding couple during the wedding ceremony in other languages... oh wait...
 
You will have to show me an example of that, your pot kettle attempt just failed.

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Yeah, the example MUST be that specific or FE is right about everything.
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I was more so referring to your almost constant attacks, insults, condescending, generalizing, and other demeaning references to anyone at all who disagrees with you, such as, but not limited to, atheists, liberals, democrats, socialists, public school students, almost any of Americas current youth, Muslims, humanists, homosexuals, illegal aliens, Any member of the media not related to FOX, etc.
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Originally posted by The Reaper The Reaper wrote:

This is a politics thread, you know the rules, participate if want, but no spamming, or name calling.
 
 
 
 
Originally posted by __sneaky__ __sneaky__ wrote:

I was more so referring to your almost constant attacks, insults, condescending, generalizing, and other demeaning references to anyone at all who disagrees with you, such as, but not limited to, atheists, liberals, democrats, socialists, public school students, almost any of Americas current youth, Muslims, humanists, homosexuals, illegal aliens, Any member of the media not related to FOX, etc.
 
 
Stop making stuff up, and spamming my thread. We all get it, you don't like me... personally... Even though you have never met me, and you feel it necessary to make unsubstantiated statements about me that have nothing to do with the thread or topic at hand. You could actually copy and paste my words if you have a problem with something that I actually said... But, you don't do that, you just attempt to call me out by making blanket statements with no proof...
 
Since clearly you are unable to be mature and not stoop to making stuff up about me and misrepresenting my positions. Why don't you just ignore my one thread on the forum?
 
So typical, you can't debate any of the many discussions going on here and instead slander me... Clearly I am responsible for the voter fraud, and many instances of muslim protectionism that have been posted... oh wait.
 

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Voter Fraud, corruption and Democratic "strategy" using google... You know, the huge greedy corporation that has offshore tax manipulation down to a science... and helps Obama raise funds for Democrats... yeah, that google.

 
 
So Democrats in NJ put up a fake tea party candidate... and are funding google ads to promote him on the web.
 
Guess openly lying to the people is now the accepted practice of the Democratic party.
 
In Florida, Clinton tried to force the black democrat Meeks out so that democrats would vote for the former RINO...
 
 
And those voting "irregularities" in Nevada... Well, they figured out why Reid's name was already checked when people went in to vote... But, they won't tell why until AFTER all the votes are cast. The contract to "fix" the machines is by SEIU. Even though the systems are now "fixed" the Secretary of state of Nevada, says there was NO EVIDENCE of a problem. DOH!
 
 
Democrats in Philly were upset all the other states were "getting out to vote" better than they were... So they figured out how to compete with the vote fraud going on all over the country.
 
 
Most disturbing that I have heard is from my area. No news stories on this yet, but a local watering hole that is owned by a guy I know who's lunchtime clients include union postal carriers in his democratic leaning area who were overheard talking about how easy it is to just "lose" the filled out absentee ballots of houses that have republican signs in their yard...
 
 
 
And just a little reminder from Nancy Pelosi. Her guarantee of NO NEW DEFICIT spending in 2007. Protecting our kids from a mountain of debt.
 
 
So far, she has signed off on $5,000,000,000,000.00 worth of deficit spending. ($5 TRILLION, since she took over the budget... And this year she didn't even PASS a budget!)
 
These many examples show us that democrats lie and cheat. Whatever they can do to stay in power.
 
Republicans of the past were becoming Democrat light, that is why they were soundly beat. But, now it seems that they have gotten the message, as they have voted against the Obama agenda as a group so much that Obama has labeled them the "party of No", and hopefully the public will hold them accountable (if they win next week) to actually CUT spending, and CUT the budget, and CUT taxes.
 
Then as a business man, I can quit worrying about cap and tax, and massive new healthcare taxes and get back to running my businesses and making money... And hiring people... It is shocking that people would still support the government after the huge mess they created with Obamacare. The costs are way more than the democrats promised, you can't keep your doctor or current plan, and they didn't fix the frivolous lawsuits that cause so much of the high cost of healthcare.
 
 
So if massive unemployment, the largest increase in food stamps (1 in 8 now on foodstamps), largest increase in taxes on January 1st, massive energy costs if they ram through cap and tax, or by sneaking it using EPA,  and massive home foreclosures are "the change we needed". Vote Democrat.
 
If you want the government to shrink, and reduce their burden on society, by lowering taxes and reducing waste, and fraud, allowing businesses to be able to focus on their business instead of what the government is messing up daily... Vote Republican.
 
 
 
But, however you vote, CHECK YOUR BALLOT before you leave, as too many instances of votes "changing" or party line tickets having both parties selected, or the opposite, are coming in to fast to ignore.
 


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Originally posted by The Reaper The Reaper wrote:

and many instances of muslim protectionism that have been posted... oh wait.

'Muslim protectionism'? Would that be the part where we don't share your irrational paranoia of the 1.3 billion Muslim boogeymen on the earth, the vast majority of whom are not at all dissimilar from us- except in a surprising number of cases more industrious, courteous, and generally decent than many people living in the west?

Yeah, sorry, but refusing to bow to right wing generated fear of Muslims does not equate to protectionism. I for one am proud to say that I will happily protect the dignity and equality of any person who hasn't done anything to harm myself or others. 

Your ignorantly held racism against Muslims - yes, I said racism; report me - and the revulsion we feel whenever it's so plainly on display does not equate to 'protectionism'. I will hold as an enemy those who actually mean us harm (and stand between them and you; ironic, that), but they are not representative of the vast majority of the religion, no more than you, fortunately, are representative of the vast majority of decent, tolerant Christians.

But let's not let reality cloud your blind ideology and cultivated paranoia.
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Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Originally posted by The Reaper The Reaper wrote:

and many instances of muslim protectionism that have been posted... oh wait.

'Muslim protectionism'? Would that be the part where we don't share your irrational paranoia of the 1.3 billion Muslim boogeymen on the earth, the vast majority of whom are not at all dissimilar from us- except in a surprising number of cases more industrious, courteous, and generally decent than many people living in the west?

Yeah, sorry, but refusing to bow to right wing generated fear of Muslims does not equate to protectionism. I for one am proud to say that I will happily protect the dignity and equality of any person who hasn't done anything to harm myself or others. 

Your ignorantly held racism against Muslims - yes, I said racism; report me - and the revulsion we feel whenever it's so plainly on display does not equate to 'protectionism'. I will hold as an enemy those who actually mean us harm (and stand between them and you; ironic, that), but they are not representative of the vast majority of the religion, no more than you, fortunately, are representative of the vast majority of decent, tolerant Christians.

But let's not let reality cloud your blind ideology and cultivated paranoia.
 
 
wow, another example of your inability to actually use my words against me, and instead you make up stuff up... Guess you still didn't learn anything from the strike next to your name.
 
Here is a tip, how about we talk about the many things brought up on this thread. Naaa, can't have that, you children have to go after your perceptions of me. Perceptions that are only in your own mind... but perceptions that you are convinced are reality. The policy of personal attacks.
 
If it were true, you would quote me. But, you never do that... racist posts would be easy to copy and paste.
 
It really is pathetic, and points out your only debate tactic. One that the democratic party has used for too long.
 
 
Clearly the mods don't mind a certain few of you attacking anyone with a different ideology over and over and over and over, and ruining a thread that you could just ignore... Using invented personal attacks including namecalling like above. When it just comes across as petty and insipid. While your cheerleaders pump you up for your "telling it how it is"...  I don't have a "making stuff up" next to my name... I post links to the stuff I put out there, and if I have a problem with a poster here, I QUOTE THEM...
 
 
 
 


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Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

I will hold as an enemy those who actually mean us harm (and stand between them and you; ironic, that), but they are not representative of the vast majority of the religion,
Reluctant to get in on this, but I did post up links to a recent study that said, if I remember correctly, that up to 35% of mulsims surveyed worldwide felt the 9/11 attacks were warranted. Of the remaining 65%, I think some portion of that considered it somewhat warranted. I wouldn't consider that a vast majority not meaning us harm. I can't seem to find the link, but it was a study done by two guys covering the past several years and both of which were in fact mulsim.
 
Edited: I searched for the post and I think it is one that got deleted by the mods recently. If I get bored enough today, I'll search again for the link to the study. Is was actually pretty interesting.


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