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I don't think MSNBC goes quite down to the Fox level, but it is damn close.  I don't watch any of the 3 personally. 
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http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/sep/16/161553/spring-hill-man-gets-prison-for-threatening-congre/news-breaking/
 
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"I'm terribly sorry that it ever happened," Pidrman said this morning before he was sentenced. At the time of the morning he made the call, he said, "I very often watch the recycled news shows on MSNBC."
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And I'll just leave this here...
 
 

WASHINGTON Here's some pressure for lawmakers: If they don't reach agreement on extending soon-to-expire Bush-era tax cuts, nearly all their constituents back home will get big tax increases.

A typical family of four with a household income of $50,000 a year would have to pay $2,900 more in taxes in 2011, according to a new analysis by Deloitte Tax LLP, a tax consulting firm. The same family making $100,000 a year would see its taxes rise by $4,500.

Wealthier families face even bigger tax hikes. A family of four making $500,000 a year would pay $10,800 more in taxes. The same family making $1 million a year would get a tax increase of $53,200.

The estimates are based on total household income, including wages, capital gains and qualified dividends. The estimated tax bills take into account typical deductions at each income level.

Democrats have been arguing for much of the past decade that tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 under former President George W. Bush provided a windfall for the wealthy. That's true, but they also reduced taxes for the working poor, the middle class, and just about everyone in between.

Those tax cuts expire at the end of the year, setting the stage for a high-stakes debate just before congressional elections in November. If Congress fails to act, families at every income level will see more taxes being withheld from their paychecks come January.

The tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 reduced marginal income tax rates at every level. They also provided a wide range of income tax breaks for education, families with children and married couples.

Taxes on capital gains and dividends were reduced, while the federal estate tax was gradually repealed, though only for this year.

President Barack Obama wants to extend the tax cuts for individuals making less than $200,000 and joint filers making less than $250,000 in adjusted gross income. That's income from wages, capital gains and dividends, before standard deductions and exemptions are subtracted.

Republicans and a growing number of Democrats in Congress want to extend all the tax cuts, at least temporarily.

On Thursday, House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio said he wants an up-or-down vote on extending all the tax cuts before congressional elections in November.

"Raising taxes on anyone, especially small businesses, is the wrong thing to do in a struggling economy," Boehner said. "On the issue of job killing tax hikes the American people are not going to accept anything less than the vote that they deserve."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., wouldn't commit to vote on any tax proposals before the election. She did, however, pledge to address them by the end of the year.

"The only thing I can tell you is that the tax cuts for the middle class will be extended this Congress," Pelosi told reporters Thursday.

More than half the country backs raising taxes on the richest Americans, according to a new Associated Press-GfK Poll. The survey showed that by 54 percent to 44 percent, most people support raising taxes on the highest earners.

In a breakdown of the numbers, 39 percent agree with Obama, while 15 percent favor raising taxes on everyone by allowing the cuts to expire at year's end. Still, 44 percent say the existing tax cuts should remain in place for everyone, including the wealthy.

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I think it will come down to a compromise where only the tax cuts for the "rich" will end up being let to expire. While I may not necessarily agree with it, I think if the Republicans stand firm in the "all or nothing" route, they are going to get lambasted by the middle class. I'll admit, I am not in the mood to give up $375 a month and would agree to a point that it's going to hurt me a lot more than $50k is to someone bringing home $1mil a year.
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Originally posted by GroupB GroupB wrote:

I don't think MSNBC goes quite down to the Fox level, but it is damn close.  I don't watch any of the 3 personally. 
 
 
I actually watch all 3.
 
MSNBC is by far the most partisan "news" network I have ever witnessed.
 
CNN plays the "avoid" stories that don't fit the liberal narrative... Which is bias, but if you don't watch fox to know what stories the conservatives are discussing... you would never see the bias. As bias of omission is hard to recognize. (also a tactic used in education)
 
Fox plays to the right, so what... EVERY single other outlet plays to the left... And the country is tired of it, (evidenced by the ratings) and are looking for stories that they are actually interested in, that don't fit a liberal world view narrative.
 
The left stream media has killed themselves. And fox is picking up the spoils of the war.
 
 
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You go on ranting about how bias is bad, but if it happens to be conservatives being biased then it's ok. Do you ever tire of hearing the word hypocrite?

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-9-2010/are-you-ready-for-some-midterms----msnbc-s-political-narrative


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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by GroupB GroupB wrote:

I don't think MSNBC goes quite down to the Fox level, but it is damn close.  I don't watch any of the 3 personally. 
 
 
I actually watch all 3.
 
MSNBC is by far the most partisan "news" network I have ever witnessed.
 
CNN plays the "avoid" stories that don't fit the liberal narrative... Which is bias, but if you don't watch fox to know what stories the conservatives are discussing... you would never see the bias. As bias of omission is hard to recognize. (also a tactic used in education)
 
Fox plays to the right, so what... EVERY single other outlet plays to the left... And the country is tired of it, (evidenced by the ratings) and are looking for stories that they are actually interested in, that don't fit a liberal world view narrative.
 
The left stream media has killed themselves. And fox is picking up the spoils of the war.
 
 
Maybe the other networks are balancing out FOX news? Funny thing about a balance, you can't really say one is good because it's counterbalancing the other since they're both doing the same thing.
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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

I have to admit some ignorance for past taxation levels and did some looking at the info given in Wiki. WTH? There was a high of 91% at one point. Historically, there were common rates for the rich at 74%! Threre must have been massive loopholes in the tax codes ore something, I can't imagine all these people were really paying these types of rates. It just doesn't seem possible. Further, I can't imagine how if they were, we were able to have such a massive growing economy. Or am I missing something?



Once upon a time there were insane crazy deductions and exemptions for things. The taxation rate plummeted when a lot of those exemptions and deductions were closed, however the average rates - even skewed by deductions - is still much much lower now.

Good for you on pulling the numbers Smile

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...because Democrats don't use CNN and MSNBC in the EXACT same way
 


Only because they are too whitewashed to see the problem.

The idea that a mainstream media source in this country is "liberal" is laughable.

Yeah, MSNBC, owned by the notoriously liberal corporate giant General Electric. LOL

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

I love how certain segments of the population think it is OK to promote class warfare.

 


Yes. Proper taxation is class warfare. Woe is you.

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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:


The idea that a mainstream media source in this country is "liberal" is laughable.

Yeah, MSNBC, owned by the notoriously liberal corporate giant General Electric. LOL
 
Friday Funnies... Wow, you got me on that one whale. I almost had spaghetti come out my nose... I laughed so hard.
 
 
Using that logic, donations would be pretty even stephen then right? I mean if the media weren't liberal, they would donate to say... republicans?
 
Right?
 
 
I mean we all heard the story about FOX (evil greedy, sorry, you know) giving A MILLION dollars to GOP...
 
 
Maybe the major media ignores its own bias and doesn't report on it?... Maybe they send 88% of their donations to democrats...
 
Oh wait.
 
 
 
Obama, Democrats got 88 percent of 2008 contributions by TV network execs, writers, reporters

Senior executives, on-air personalities, producers, reporters, editors, writers and other self-identifying employees of ABC, CBS and NBC contributed more than $1 million to Democratic candidates and campaign committees in 2008, according to an analysis by The Examiner of data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics.

The Democratic total of $1,020,816 was given by 1,160 employees of the three major broadcast television networks, with an average contribution of $880.

By contrast, only 193 of the employees contributed to Republican candidates and campaign committees, for a total of $142,863. The average Republican contribution was $744.




Yup, clearly no liberal bias in play...
 
 
 
 
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Yes, because the donations from writers, editors, reporters and low-level executives are exactly the same as the influence and leashed control of their massive ownership companies. LOL.

You really nailed it, FE. Good job!

Lol. "Liberal" media, owned by massive corporations. Haha.



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And Fox News alone just recently gave Republicans a million dollars. What's your point?
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Oh, maybe you'll answer this the third time:

What exactly is "smaller government" about outlawing homosexual marriage and abortion?
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Oh, maybe you'll answer this the third time:

What exactly is "smaller government" about outlawing homosexual marriage and abortion?
 
 
correlation...
 
doesn't equal
 
causation...
 
 
 
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Oh, maybe you'll answer this the third time:

What exactly is "smaller government" about outlawing homosexual marriage and abortion?
 
 
correlation...
 
doesn't equal
 
causation...
 
 
 
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yes, in that abortion and gay marriage have exactly NOTHING to do with small government. And whenever someone brings up something that completely ties together logically, you guys say that...
 
so if you look at it with T&O logic, it is pretty clear...
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Oh, maybe you'll answer this the third time:

What exactly is "smaller government" about outlawing homosexual marriage and abortion?
 
This is much easier to answer given context.
 
"Smaller government" in the form of a democracy would obviously entail less government intrusion, i.e. less intrusive laws, less definition, etcf.
 
However, FE has never endorsed a democracy. He endorses a theocracy. This clarification is needed among those that claim that this is a Christian government, founded under God's guidelines.
 
Originally posted by Dictionary.com Dictionary.com wrote:

a form of government in which god or a deity is recognized as the supreme civil ruler, the God's or deity's laws being interpreted by the ecclesiastical authorities.
 
So the question is, does the hard right seek to change us from a democratic republic to a theocracy, in the same way that the hard left seeks socialism...? Seems like both sides have agendas, and both of them involve sacrificing personal freedoms for underlying agendas.
 
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

yes, in that abortion and gay marriage have exactly NOTHING to do with small government. And whenever someone brings up something that completely ties together logically, you guys say that...
 
so if you look at it with T&O logic, it is pretty clear...
government staying out of peoples personal lives, doesn't effect others, civil freedoms, etc.
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Sorry,

 
VOTES by the people trump activist judge who will benefit from overturning said votes... That have national implications also overturning other states VOTES.
 
 
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

yes, in that abortion and gay marriage have exactly NOTHING to do with small government. And whenever someone brings up something that completely ties together logically, you guys say that... 
 
I'll agree with you on this halfway-at least for the abortion side of things. I think abortion comes down to a human life issue, and protection of human life is a core responsibility of government. The battle is therefore over the definition of human life, which the government is most certainly entitled to be involved in, either outcome it chooses.
 
But gay marriage-there is absolutely no reason that you can give me why the government should not allow equality in marriage between two consenting adults of whatever gender-male, female, shemale, Sarah Jessica Parker, etc-that doesn't involve a discussion of morals and ethics.
 
And I believe that the doctrine of small government entails a government that does not dicate morals, but rather protection afforded to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
 
A government that dictates laws via specific religious doctrine...well, I covered that in my last post.
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

yes, in that abortion and gay marriage have exactly NOTHING to do with small government.


So, in your eyes, what does "Small government" mean?
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