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    Posted: 03 June 2010 at 7:49pm
Originally posted by IGN IGN wrote:

Case in point: Schwarzenegger v. Video Software Dealers Association, 08-1448. Back in 2004, State Senator Leland Yee (D-CA 11) put forward AB 1792, a bill that re-classified "ultra-violent video games" as harmful matter under the California penal code, effectively restricting the sale of games to minors.

You might think the Entertainment Software Rating Board already covered this (and I've seen many a teen carded and turned away at GameStop), but Yee's law ignores the ESRB and criminalizes the sale or rental of any game "that enables the player to virtually inflict serious injury upon human beings or characters with substantially human characteristics in a manner that is especially heinous, atrocious, or cruel" to anyone under 18. That covers pretty much 80% of all video games, including a good chunk of T-Rated titles. Governor Schwarzenegger, who's been known to inflict serious injury upon human characters, signed it into law. A 9th Circuit court overturned it on First Amendment grounds soon after.

Now the Supreme Court is taking up the appeal. Depending how they rule, or on any judicial initiative they exercise (the Roberts court has shown itself to be an activist court), the way games are sold in this country and who is allowed to play them could completely change as soon as next year. We're potentially talking Microsoft and Sony getting hit with $1,000 fines every time a minor spends $15 to download Shank off XBLA or PSN (to say nothing of Steam, Gamefly or even Amazon, when it ships Modern Warfare 2 to 16-year-olds holding their first credit cards). In fact, under the loosest possible interpretation, it would be just as illegal for a parent to buy a violent video game for their child as it would be to buy them a bottle of whiskey. Yep... as written, AB 1792 is that broad. Which is to say, that vague.
 
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Originally posted by Wiki Wiki wrote:

At the heart of much of the discussion about the need to regulate these “ultraviolent” games is what has been termed the "hot coffee mod" incident regarding the PlayStation 2/Xbox game Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. In this situation, when a certain character successfully courted a girlfriend, she asked him into her house for "coffee." The game displayed an external shot of the house with sounds of a couple having sex. With code modifications, the PC version of the game which was released in Autumn of 2005 (while the original PS2 version was released in October 2004) will display in graphic detail the sexual adventure inside her house, instead of just hinting at such
 
Really? We're still talking about a mod to an M-rated game from over 6 years ago?
 
Where's the outcry on movies? Cuz, I'm pretty sure that the last PG-13 romantic comedy you watched had more explicit material in it than a poorly animated GTA skit.
 
My question would be how they plan on enforcing this law. You already get carded for buying M-rated games, is the government going to follow you home to make sure that your 10 year old doesn't turn it on?
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You know what worries me the most? They actually think this is necessary.

The reality is that if parents aren't paying enough attention to their children's upbringing to prevent them from confusing real life and video games, there are much bigger problems unaddressed by any current legislation.
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Originally posted by ParielIsBack ParielIsBack wrote:

You know what worries me the most? They actually think this is necessary.

The reality is that if parents aren't paying enough attention to their children's upbringing to prevent them from confusing real life and video games, there are much bigger problems unaddressed by any current legislation.
 
See, that's my problem. I've been an avid video gamer since I was probably 9 or 10. I was practically born with a controller in my hand, I love them. In fact, I was that loner outcast as a 13-14 year old, then got pulled out into homeschooling, and had alot of weird mental issues. So what happened to me?
 
I grew up, and grew up normal. Now I'm failry sensitive person, plenty of friends, in no way motivated to violence. In fact,  I'm opposite of everything these people say video games are going to do with your kids.
 
My problem with legislation like this is that it's based on hypothetical circumstances. True, I'm sure that kids with preexisting mental issues use games as an outlet. I'll bet some crazed little bastard is at this very moment stacking hogtied women up on railroad tracksin Red Dead Redemption fapping gleefully as their bodies are mutilated by a train (I'm looking at you Sneaky).
 
But how do those issues relate to video games? And why is a child with those issues given outlets like violent video games, or guns, or anything else that's inappropriate to bizarre little white kids obsessed with Creed and Guns and Ammo?
 
I'm sorry, but this is shameful. Not just becuase I love video games, but because there are far more important issues than making sure little Johnny doesn't see alien sex in Mass Effect 2. And the fact that Arnold freaking GET TO THE CHOPPER WHILE I MUTILATE HUNDREDS OF ALIEN / HUMAN / ANIMAL BODIES Governator is endorsing the idea that kids shouldn't be playing GTA, yet hasn't spoken out against his OWN TERRIBLE AND VIOLENT MOVIES is just bizarre.
 
*edited for a major typo  Wink


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Originally posted by ParielIsBack ParielIsBack wrote:

You know what worries me the most? They actually think this is necessary.

The reality is that if parents aren't paying enough attention to their children's upbringing to prevent them from confusing real life and video games, there are much bigger problems unaddressed by any current legislation.


Wait . . .


. . . you mean people don't respawn when you hurt them in real life?




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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

Originally posted by ParielIsBack ParielIsBack wrote:

You know what worries me the most? They actually think this is necessary.

The reality is that if parents aren't paying enough attention to their children's upbringing to prevent them from confusing real life and video games, there are much bigger problems unaddressed by any current legislation.
 
See, that's my problem. I've been an avid video gamer since I was probably 9 or 10. I was practically born with a controller in my hand, I love them. In fact, I was that loner outcast as a 13-14 year old, then got pulled out into homeschooling, and had alot of weird mental issues. So what happened to me?
 
I grew up, and grew up normal. Now I'm failry sensitive person, plenty of friends, in no way motivated to violence. In fact, I'm just the opposite. I'm opposite of everything these people say video games are going to do with your kids.
 
My problem with legislation like this is that it's based on hypothetical circumstances. True, I'm sure that kids with preexisting mental issues use games as an outlet. I'll bet some crazed little bastard is at this very moment stacking hogtied women up on railroad tracksin Red Dead Redemption fapping gleefully as their bodies are mutilated by a train (I'm looking at you Sneaky).
 
But how do those issues relate to video games? And why is a child with those issues given outlets like violent video games, or guns, or anything else that's inappropriate to bizarre little white kids obsessed with Creed and Guns and Ammo?
 
I'm sorry, but this is shameful. Not just becuase I love video games, but because there are far more important issues than making sure little Johnny doesn't see alien sex in Mass Effect 2. And the fact that Arnold freaking GET TO THE CHOPPER WHILE I MUTILATE HUNDREDS OF ALIEN / HUMAN / ANIMAL BODIES Governator is endorsing the idea that kids shouldn't be playing GTA, yet hasn't spoken out against his OWN TERRIBLE AND VIOLENT MOVIES is just bizarre.
I was just about to quote your top 2 paragraphs, then I continued reading to the bottom of the 3rd paragraph, and major lulz were had.
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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

it would be just as illegal for a parent to buy a violent video game for their child as it would be to buy them a bottle of whiskey.
So it's not a problem?

/never lived outside of wisconsin.

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I was surprised when I saw boobies in Red Dead Redemption, but it was entirely in context, and I give them props for having the balls to have nudity tastefully in the medium of video games. Just like in Ballad of Gay Tony...or Lost and the Damned, you see full frontal male nudity as well.

I still think its silly how nudity is treated here, so its nice to see it not be a big deal.
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

I was surprised when I saw boobies in Red Dead Redemption, but it was entirely in context, and I give them props for having the balls to have nudity tastefully in the medium of video games. Just like in Ballad of Gay Tony...or Lost and the Damned, you see full frontal male nudity as well.

I still think its silly how nudity is treated here, so its nice to see it not be a big deal.


There's a great line in Red Deas where a character points out that John had no problem murdering as many men as possible, but won't cheat on his wife. I love R*'s tongue in cheek approach, and they write with the kind of ballsy controversy that, if it were a movie, critics would eat it up.

But if politicians have their way, like many have been pushing for, you'll need to go to your local porn shop to pick up the newest CoD, but you can still get torture porn like the Saw series at your local pharmacy. Cuz you know, it's the pixels that count.
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I must have missed the boobies in RDR. Too busy splashing blood on the screen when I skinned something I guess.

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Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

I must have missed the boobies in RDR. Too busy splashing blood on the screen when I skinned something I guess.

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Lol California.
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