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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

I'm intrigued at the idea that all Christians sin, and that's normal.

Not arguing against anyone's religion,  but that's very contradictory to the Bible and the idea that sin=death, which is very prominent in the Text. I've always understood that we have all sinned, but that after salvation you're supposed to at least attempt to not sin.
 
At least, that's my understanding.
"All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23. In Christianity, all people are sinners, no matter what. The only way you can make it to heaven is through accepting Jesus as you savior, and only then can you be saved. You still sin after that point, but you are supposed to avoid it, and try and turn away from it to the best of your ability. Asking for forgiveness is a repeated process, it's not a one time deal. All the details change depending on what denomination you decide to go with, but that's the basic idea.
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Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

^^^  No.  At least not for me.  I was never impressed enough/interested in that particular sport to care about any of those dudes or know what they look like anyway.


just saying it would make life easier. quick google search of the guys against the picture...i don't know i guess i just got bored of this thread after the first 2 pages...FE never wants to give in as much as people try to get him to, so its whatever. he's not writing laws in congress so i'm not worried
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Originally posted by __sneaky__ __sneaky__ wrote:

Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

I'm intrigued at the idea that all Christians sin, and that's normal.

Not arguing against anyone's religion,  but that's very contradictory to the Bible and the idea that sin=death, which is very prominent in the Text. I've always understood that we have all sinned, but that after salvation you're supposed to at least attempt to not sin.
 
At least, that's my understanding.
"All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23. In Christianity, all people are sinners, no matter what. The only way you can make it to heaven is through accepting Jesus as you savior, and only then can you be saved. You still sin after that point, but you are supposed to avoid it, and try and turn away from it to the best of your ability. Asking for forgiveness is a repeated process, it's not a one time deal. All the details change depending on what denomination you decide to go with, but that's the basic idea.
I think that the idea is right, but a couple of details that bother me.
 
The term sinner has always made me uncomfortable. Sinner as a noun would imply one who sins, and the end of sin is death.
 
Also, the idea that we're going to sin after you get saved is also kind of contradictory. Have most people sinned? Yes. But there is no guarantee, the Bible certainly offers the idea that you can be free from sin.
 
I think that alot of what's missing in the modern church world, and one reason why I don't attend church, is the idea of Grace. Somehow, Americans have (as they tend to do) wrapped their morals around the lifestyle rather than vice versa.
 
I'm not preaching, and Sneaky I realize that you're not religious so this wasn't aimed at you or anyone in particular, but IMO alot of Americans have reinterpreted the Bible to meet their own standards, customizing it for their lifestyle. This bothers me far worse than someone who just admits they don't follow Christianity.
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Lol. Some of you folks take this forum way too seriously....




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The larger the boulder becomes, the stronger God becomes, therefore the question is becomes trapped in an infinite and ongoing loop. 

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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

The people who tend to believe that pornography has a legitimate, wide-sweeping negative impact on society also believe in a mystical sky wizard. 

Hmm. Who would have reckoned. 


I just figured out why this specific statement set off my annoy-o-meter.

It comes across with pretty much the same air of superiority and condescension that I get from people I know who are certain that my failure to believe/observe religion in the same manner that they do has guaranteed me a one-way trip to Satan's tanning booth.
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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

Originally posted by __sneaky__ __sneaky__ wrote:

Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

I'm intrigued at the idea that all Christians sin, and that's normal.

Not arguing against anyone's religion,  but that's very contradictory to the Bible and the idea that sin=death, which is very prominent in the Text. I've always understood that we have all sinned, but that after salvation you're supposed to at least attempt to not sin.
 
At least, that's my understanding.
"All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23. In Christianity, all people are sinners, no matter what. The only way you can make it to heaven is through accepting Jesus as you savior, and only then can you be saved. You still sin after that point, but you are supposed to avoid it, and try and turn away from it to the best of your ability. Asking for forgiveness is a repeated process, it's not a one time deal. All the details change depending on what denomination you decide to go with, but that's the basic idea.
I think that the idea is right, but a couple of details that bother me.
 
The term sinner has always made me uncomfortable. Sinner as a noun would imply one who sins, and the end of sin is death.
 
Also, the idea that we're going to sin after you get saved is also kind of contradictory. Have most people sinned? Yes. But there is no guarantee, the Bible certainly offers the idea that you can be free from sin.
 
I think that alot of what's missing in the modern church world, and one reason why I don't attend church, is the idea of Grace. Somehow, Americans have (as they tend to do) wrapped their morals around the lifestyle rather than vice versa.
 
I'm not preaching, and Sneaky I realize that you're not religious so this wasn't aimed at you or anyone in particular, but IMO alot of Americans have reinterpreted the Bible to meet their own standards, customizing it for their lifestyle. This bothers me far worse than someone who just admits they don't follow Christianity.
No worries, I didn't think it was directed at me. I agree with you that a lot of it doesn't make sense (obviously, considering my current religious standpoint. Tongue) I unfortunately plenty people who do customize morals to fit their lifestyle better. I know all too many people who get completely trashed on the weekends, and then get all kinds of defensive anytime I ever mention anything that goes against the bible - for example. Those are the people that really get to me, I have 0 respect for them. 
 
I guess I could have just said that I agree, but I like to make things complicated. Wink
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Lol at people thinking that getting trashed is somehow a sin/not christianlike
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Jesus turned water into wine, and gave it to already drunk people at a wedding......

And it was good wine.

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Ephesians 5:18 "Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit."
 
Seems pretty clear to me.
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by Ceesman762 Ceesman762 wrote:

Originally posted by Ceesman762 Ceesman762 wrote:

Where is the connection between porn and BMX freestyle?

I am really curious about this one.  FE please explain.
 
 
It isn't edifying. So I don't want to go into it.
 
When I was a kid, the guys I hung out with, and traveled with all over the US with were focused on three things, bikes, craziness, and girls.
 
We treated girls horribly, I saw women as a means to an end. And because of the popularity of Freestyle at the time, women were very interested in me.
 
We did everything crazy we could think of, at all times, so much so that a couple of us (Adam Spiegel, and Jeff Tremaine) started a TV show with some of our antics a few years later, it went on to be a hit, and even became major motion pictures. Which I am sure most of you have watched. (actually, I haven't ever seen the show, or the movies, but my old friends call me when they use one of our old antics on the show) 
 
 
It is what it is... Nothing to be proud of, but many of the trick names, bike parts, even bike names are related to pornography, or sexuality.
 
Most is subtle, but, the guys at the top all know the stories.
 
And it is still that way today. Just a few years back there was a video all over the web with my friend catfish (zack) in a hotel room...
 
nevermind.
 
Trust me, the link is there, and it is not good for the sport, or the people involved.
 
 
 
We all need boundaries. I have lived without them... And the results of no boundaries are very destructive.


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Originally posted by __sneaky__ __sneaky__ wrote:

Ephesians 5:18 "Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit."
 
Seems pretty clear to me.
Ohhhhhh, so god is a liquor man!

Also, that verse is clearly against debauchery, not alcohol.  Are you trying to tell me that Jesus was sinning when he tempted the drunk people with more wine?


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You know, even after years of Bible study when I was a pretty religious person, I never clarified the whole drinking thing to myself.
 
Bear in mind that much of the Bible belt (where I'm from) and its core beliefs of particular sins (masturbation, drinking, extreme sense of modesty, etc) come from social ideologies more than Biblical principle. Some areas are just grey, and the Bible doesn't address them.
 
For instance, try to get a job preaching in the South at a prominent denominational church wearing sandals, a robe, a beard, and long hair. Yet, who do we often depict with this sense of style?
 
 
But in America, you'd be more associated with:
 
 
Yet, do any of those things invoke modesty, or any kind of moral sense? Where in the Bible does it state to dress nice on Sunday, or to wear expensive suits to Church?
 
Why is it when we go to other countries as missionaries, do we always come back with the locals wearing westernized suits to Church servicecs? Why is that a sign of reform?
 
For some reason, Christianity in America puts far too much emphasis on outward appearance, and far too little on inward improvement.
 
I find this odd, since a large amount of Christianity (referring to the Pauline letters) is wrapped by large amounts around Platonian philosophy. I find very little in the New Testament about wearing suits to church, or not taking a drink.
 
Of course, that's not to take away from personal convictions, but actually pursuing some of these things as Biblical principles becomes an entirely different animal.


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People get lost in all the little things between denominations and between different religions.


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Originally posted by Eville Eville wrote:

Gatyr brings up a very good point here.

I thought so too. It would be nice if FE would respond to the legitimate arguments more often, and not revert back to claiming he is a victim, bashing the liberals/MSM, or claiming he ignored posts because they were so far beneath his radar that he felt they didn't warrant a response.
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Ohhhhhh, so god is a liquor man!

Um, have you ever had the blood of God at Church? That should be enough of an indication of how into alcohol he was.

Also, LOL RELIGION. One of the best quotes ever (in my mind, anyway):

"The feebleness of human understanding  and the arrogance that masks it is most apparent when we try to reduce the transcendent reality of God to the limits of our human concepts."

Don't know who originally said it, but I completely agree.
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In my mind the thing that seperates Christianity from all other religions is the way salvation isn't something you "earn".
It is a free gift, available to anyone who prays "God, I know I am a sinner, I am sorry and I accept your free gift of salvation
and ask for the blood of Jesus who died, perfect and without sin. I ask that you let his blood cover my sins."


That's it.

That would make you a Christian.

Will you then be perfect.

No.

I mess up daily.

Will churches run by man suddenly be good and perfect?

Nope


As all have sinned...



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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

In my mind the thing that seperates Christianity from all other religions is the way salvation isn't something you "earn".
It is a free gift, available to anyone who prays "God, I know I am a sinner, I am sorry and I accept your free gift of salvation
and ask for the blood of Jesus who died, perfect and without sin. I ask that you let his blood cover my sins."


That's it.

That would make you a Christian.

Will you then be perfect.

No.

I mess up daily.

Will churches run by man suddenly be good and perfect?

Nope


As all have sinned...



Good discussion btw
 
Not to invoke denomination with too much emphasis, what would your belief set most closely resemble?
 
Really just out of curiosity, nothing more.
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

available to anyone who prays

Therefore, you earn it by praying, yeah?
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