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Originally posted by Ceesman762 Ceesman762 wrote:

In NY state, without a CCW permit, I can not carry my pistol outside my house in my yard unless I was going to a range or gunshop.
And a criminal can sue me if he hurts himself on my poperty during a break in of my home, unless of course I have a "no trespassing" sign displayed on my property.
Which is why yhou have the sign inside the house ready to plaster on the front door after an 'unfortunate incident' befalls said criminal before the cops show up.
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Originally posted by StormyKnight StormyKnight wrote:

Originally posted by scotchyscotch scotchyscotch wrote:

As I see it the issue is that a lot of people cant be trusted but there's not much that can be done. I just think guns are incredibly dangerous bits of kit even when used responsibly not to mention when they are readily available to anyone that feels like having one and doing whatever they want with it.
Guns, like all inanimate objects are not dangerous in and of themselves.  People are dangerous.


Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:


A firearm is a great tool for slinging lead at thousands of feet per second.  This is what they are made for.  This is what they do.  In doing construction, repairs, gardening, or any other task that requires the use of a tool, I have never once thought to myself "Hmmm, I need a 10.17mm hole right here and I need it made in a split second.  I know, I'll grab my .40!"  There is not a single legitimate use for a firearm as a tool outside the destruction of something.


Also, how is a gun not dangerous in and of itself?  The application of a few pounds of pressure on this object can cause massive amounts of destruction and/or fatal injuries.  If you are able to apply that statement to any object, that object is dangerous.  That is like saying that a set bear trap is not dangerous.
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This thread is full of fail.
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Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

Also, how is a gun not dangerous in and of itself?  The application of a few pounds of pressure on this object can cause massive amounts of destruction and/or fatal injuries.  If you are able to apply that statement to any object, that object is dangerous.  That is like saying that a set bear trap is not dangerous.


A gun isn't dangerous in and of itself.

Bullets sir, bullets.

Again, statistics: guns are less dangerous than cars, cancer, cigarettes.

Guns don't deserve some sort of pedestal simply because they're particularly effective at homicide (while none of the other things I mentioned are).
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Originally posted by ParielIsBack ParielIsBack wrote:

Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

Also, how is a gun not dangerous in and of itself?  The application of a few pounds of pressure on this object can cause massive amounts of destruction and/or fatal injuries.  If you are able to apply that statement to any object, that object is dangerous.  That is like saying that a set bear trap is not dangerous.


A gun isn't dangerous in and of itself.

Bullets sir, bullets.

Again, statistics: guns are less dangerous than cars, cancer, cigarettes.

Guns don't deserve some sort of pedestal simply because they're particularly effective at homicide (while none of the other things I mentioned are).


I guess what bothers me most about  your arguments is that they are based on interpretation and semantics. Hardly defensible...
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Originally posted by Magoo Magoo wrote:

Originally posted by ParielIsBack ParielIsBack wrote:

Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

Also, how is a gun not dangerous in and of itself?  The application of a few pounds of pressure on this object can cause massive amounts of destruction and/or fatal injuries.  If you are able to apply that statement to any object, that object is dangerous.  That is like saying that a set bear trap is not dangerous.


A gun isn't dangerous in and of itself.

Bullets sir, bullets.

Again, statistics: guns are less dangerous than cars, cancer, cigarettes.

Guns don't deserve some sort of pedestal simply because they're particularly effective at homicide (while none of the other things I mentioned are).


I guess what bothers me most about  your arguments is that they are based on interpretation and semantics. Hardly defensible...



Is constitutional law anything other than interpretation and semantics?  I think that would be a a difficult case to defend.
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Originally posted by ParielIsBack ParielIsBack wrote:

Guns don't deserve some sort of pedestal simply because they're particularly effective at homicide (while none of the other things I mentioned are).


They do not.  They are on the pedestal because they have but a single use and they are amazingly efficient at fulfilling that use.  As I have stated previously, that use is violently putting a ~ 5.7mm -11.7mm (based on common calibers) hole through something with the application of as little as 2lbs of pressure - something that, without fail, will always cause destruction (be it a target, tree or human head), injury or death (animal or human).

Once again, any object whose sole purpose is to destroy, injure or kill something is dangerous, not just a firearm.  To state otherwise simply based on a minute semantics issue is foolish.
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Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

Also, how is a gun not dangerous in and of itself?
Ok, place a loaded gun on a table.  Swear at it.  Threaten it.  What does the gun do?  Nothing.
 
Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

The application of a few pounds of pressure on this object can cause massive amounts of destruction and/or fatal injuries.
See, now you're adding variables to the mix.  You have to have somebody apply pressure to the trigger.  That somebody is a person.  As I said earlier - People are dangerous, not guns.
 
Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

If you are able to apply that statement to any object, that object is dangerous.
Not necessarily true.
 
Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

That is like saying that a set bear trap is not dangerous.
That depends on where the trap is, now doesn't it?  What if it was locked in a bank vault?  What if it was buried under tons of cement?
 
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Nambu pistols are inherently dangerous. Just throwing that out there....
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Originally posted by rednekk98 rednekk98 wrote:

Nambu pistols are inherently dangerous. Just throwing that out there....

yep, remove two screws and squeeze  the receiver.  many a Japanese officers died from accidental discharge of the nambu.
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Originally posted by StormyKnight StormyKnight wrote:

Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

Also, how is a gun not dangerous in and of itself?
Ok, place a loaded gun on a table.  Swear at it.  Threaten it.  What does the gun do?  Nothing.
 
Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

The application of a few pounds of pressure on this object can cause massive amounts of destruction and/or fatal injuries.
See, now you're adding variables to the mix.  You have to have somebody apply pressure to the trigger.  That somebody is a person.  As I said earlier - People are dangerous, not guns.
 
Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

If you are able to apply that statement to any object, that object is dangerous.
Not necessarily true.
 
Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

That is like saying that a set bear trap is not dangerous.
That depends on where the trap is, now doesn't it?  What if it was locked in a bank vault?  What if it was buried under tons of cement?
 
So your criteria for an object to be dangerous is that it has to react in an unsafe manner after you swear at it?  Outstanding.

In your world of fluffy bunnies and nerf guns, what exactly is dangerous then, pray tell.
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Originally posted by Magoo Magoo wrote:

I guess what bothers me most about  your arguments is that they are based on interpretation and semantics. Hardly defensible...


And somehow you haven't managed to get around them yet...

...which is funny, as I mentioned before that I totally disagree with this line of reasoning.
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Wow...somehow I get the feeling that at least a couple of you are having way too much fun in this thread...
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Originally posted by StormyKnight StormyKnight wrote:

Ok, place a loaded gun on a table.  Swear at it.  Threaten it.  What does the gun do?  Nothing.
 
 
So the firearm on the table is not dangerous? 
 
I presume then, that you leave your loaded guns on the kitchen table within reach of children.  Seeing as how guns aren't dangerous and all...
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If you're going to argue that people don't kill people, but guns kill people, I'm still going to assert that you're wrong:

Bullets kill people.



An unloaded gun is no more dangerous than a book sitting on a table.

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

If you're going to argue that people don't kill people, but guns kill people, I'm still going to assert that you're wrong:

Bullets kill people.



An unloaded gun is no more dangerous than a book sitting on a table.
 
That's not where I was going, but even so you are wrong (except tautologically).
 
The only difference between an unloaded gun and a loaded gun is bullets.  You can add bullets to a book all day long without endangering anybody.
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Do mountains actively go out and attack people? No. But you wouldn't go up Everest with nout but a polka dot rag on a stick.

Responsibility is the issue and if not for selective quoting then that should be clear by now.These threads are always full of fail and semantics.
If you deny that guns in the hands of a person (any person) is dangerous then I think you are wrong.

In order to be responsible with firearms you must first acknowledge they are dangerous. 

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Originally posted by Ben Grimm Ben Grimm wrote:

Originally posted by StormyKnight StormyKnight wrote:

Ok, place a loaded gun on a table.  Swear at it.  Threaten it.  What does the gun do?  Nothing.
 
 
So the firearm on the table is not dangerous? 
 
I presume then, that you leave your loaded guns on the kitchen table within reach of children.  Seeing as how guns aren't dangerous and all...


He probably doesn't let the kids drive the car either.  Or for that matter, use the lawnmower, weed wacker, or large knives.
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Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

Originally posted by StormyKnight StormyKnight wrote:

Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

Also, how is a gun not dangerous in and of itself?
Ok, place a loaded gun on a table.  Swear at it.  Threaten it.  What does the gun do?  Nothing.
 
Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

The application of a few pounds of pressure on this object can cause massive amounts of destruction and/or fatal injuries.
See, now you're adding variables to the mix.  You have to have somebody apply pressure to the trigger.  That somebody is a person.  As I said earlier - People are dangerous, not guns.
 
Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

If you are able to apply that statement to any object, that object is dangerous.
Not necessarily true.
 
Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

That is like saying that a set bear trap is not dangerous.
That depends on where the trap is, now doesn't it?  What if it was locked in a bank vault?  What if it was buried under tons of cement?
 
So your criteria for an object to be dangerous is that it has to react in an unsafe manner after you swear at it?  Outstanding.

In your world of fluffy bunnies and nerf guns, what exactly is dangerous then, pray tell.
I've already said it.  PEOPLE.  People are the most dangerous things on this planet.
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