AZ FTW

Ben Grimm wrote: FreeEnterprise wrote: Ben Grimm wrote:   I am curious...  which rights of yours exactly was this young man trampling?   fourth amendment to the constitution... Putting your information out there in an easily "searched" method is an unreasonable search.     Can we agree that WalMart is a private corporation citizen?

FreeEnterprise wrote:   What does this have to do with wal-mart?   The KID took it upon himself to use my license number without my permission, and put it into a trackable database.   I have no beef with wal-mart, re-read my first post, my offense is with the kid.   If you furnish your waiter with your cc for payment, would you have a problem if they wrote down your numbers in case they "needed" them later?...   Would you be mad at the place you dined, or the person who "borrowed" your identity.

NY State for long gun is $15 for the background check, 1 minute of your time and a valid drivers license.  If you have anything legally against you, parking tickets, OOP's and the like, they deny you immediately

stratoaxe wrote: There's not really alot they can teach you, short of a full on tactical shooting course. Otherwise, they just test you on accuracy and your knowledge of gun laws.

FE- if they actually catch someone who uses the ammo for wrong doing, isn't that worth waiting an extra minute of your time?

and relating it to your cc at a restaurant in erroneous; with credit card numbers someone can buy things, yes. but what are they going to do with a pistol permit or drivers license number?

the guy wasn't doing anything wrong with your identity. all he did was ensure that even if you gave the ammo as a gift and that ammo came up in a crime, the police would have a way of tracking where it came from, and who it went to. after the buyer, they can let the police know who they gave the ammo to. i really don't see the problem.

Magoo wrote: stratoaxe wrote: There's not really alot they can teach you, short of a full on tactical shooting course. Otherwise, they just test you on accuracy and your knowledge of gun laws. Wow. That's extremely shady. My CHL class taught me everything from proper conflict resolution, communication strategies, gun laws, and various scenarios of engagement. We spent most of our time covering communication, and the only times it's "proper" to draw a firearm. We also covered how a gun is not the end-all-be-all solution, and the odds of you using it are exceptionally slim. I feel very prepared to actually carry, if I elect to do so. If the class you are referring to is just pulling thee trigger and gun laws, it needs to be shut down...

jmac3 wrote: Not just simply giving someone a license.

ParielIsBack wrote: Magoo wrote: stratoaxe wrote: There's not really alot they can teach you, short of a full on tactical shooting course. Otherwise, they just test you on accuracy and your knowledge of gun laws. We spent most of our time covering communication, and the only times it's "proper" to draw a firearm. Which is exactly what they should be covering.

Exactly.

Strat: Well, I understand that fully. However, I feel that classes and licensing is the best we can do. Well, short of popping someone in the shoulder as a rite of passage in owning a gun.

Evil Elvis wrote: choopie911 wrote: That seems ridiculously stupid How so ? If a person passes the screening to purchase a firearm why not carry it concealed?

Because waving it around for everyone to see is a much more effective deterrent.

And LOADS cooler.

Ben Grimm wrote: Eville wrote: Why is driving a car a privilege, while having a gun is a right? Because the document that states our rights as citizens doesn't mention cars.   It doesn't mention guns either...