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Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

Why is driving a car a privilege, while having a gun is a right?
There is no ammendment to the Constitution that ensures the right to drive a car.
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Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

And again, I'll raise the question, how does the CCW permit insure ANY safety on this issue?


NB4 the people with strong opinions on this subject continue to ignore the question they don't have a satisfactory answer to.

Why is driving a car a privilege, while having a gun is a right?

Driving a car is not a privilege. Driving a car on public roads is.
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I was in wal-mart the other day, and saw they had some .32 ammo.
 
So I walked all over tarnation to try and find someone with the key to the cabinet...
 
Finally the guy comes out (they had to call him 3 times on the intercom) and gets me my boxes of ammo. He asks for my license which I handed over...
 
Then he starts typing into the register my information...
 
I was like "what do you think you are doing?".
 
he was all. "Well, Sir, I feel it is important to do everything I can to help keep track of all ammunition purchases".
 
I asked if this was wal-marts policy...
 
He said no, but as a student at Miami university, he feels everything he can do to help track any ammo he sells, will help cut down on crime, and catch criminals. So he adds license numbers to all transactions.
 
I was not a happy camper. I had already wasted 20 minutes of my time waiting for this joker to show up to do his job... Then he is all big brother on me...
 
I told him he better get a law degree, because trampling rights of Americans will get you in hot water... Maybe not with the current administration... But, they won't be in power for long.
 
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^^^^Shens!  I just ammo form Walmart last week.  6 boxes of Winchester 55gr 5.56mm,  2 boxes of .45 auto, and one box of .38 spl.  The Walmart employee ask to see if I was over 21 and my pistol license to see if I were allowed to purchase pistol ammo, he  did not enter any of my information into a computer.  And I live in Great Democratic/Socialist state of NY...
 
 
*BTW, there was a BS email going around for over a year to alot of shooters forums about Walmart doing this.  I have purchased pistol ammo in NY and PA  in a Walmart and neither had entered any information in on me.


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I'd just call shens on there being any .32 at wallyworld. I have only seem .40, some sig, 9mm and .45ACP. I got all 200 of the .45 and haven't seen it since. .380 and other calibers are always out of stock.


The only real change I would prefer for CCW would be a simple rule on what can be carried. I know many of you pro-gun types will get all snotty, but I would feel a lot safer if only revolvers with the hammer down on empty chambers could be carried concealed. I keep reading idiotic stories of (mostly elderly or impaired losers) dropping or fumbling their concealed autos and causing holes to appear in bathroom stalls or restaurant floors. That sort of nonsense gives all CCWers and gun owners a bad name. Anyone who can mess up with a hammer down on an empty chamber deserves to be curb stomped and no amount of training could ever cure that kind of stupid.

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Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

And again, I'll raise the question, how does the CCW permit insure ANY safety on this issue?


NB4 the people with strong opinions on this subject continue to ignore the question they don't have a satisfactory answer to.


I would enjoy not having to worry about any random person on the street having a gun. There should be proper safety courses, tests on those courses. They should be strict. Owning a gun should be a thorough process, let alone carrying one in public.
Because we all know that no one would EVER carry a gun without going through the licensing process.

Why is driving a car a privilege, while having a gun is a right?
Because the document that states our rights as citizens doesn't mention cars.
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Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

And again, I'll raise the question, how does the CCW permit insure ANY safety on this issue?


NB4 the people with strong opinions on this subject continue to ignore the question they don't have a satisfactory answer to.



If you people would stop going all "FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS" when something is brought up maybe something good might happen.
 
Way to straw man the opposite side of the debate...I'm very much pro-gun rights, but, as my record on the forum will show, I'm very critical on the idea that carrying a gun makes you or anyone else safer. But I'm equally critical of the idea that somehow the licensing process makes even a small step towards making CCW's safe.
 
I'm not trying to say that people should be allowed do just run down to the local gun dealer, grab a handgun, and take into the local bar. Obviously there should be rules and regulations, but the idea that simply giving someone a license in any way impacts the system is questionable at best.
 
 
 
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^^^^Shens!  I just ammo form Walmart last week.  6 boxes of Winchester 55gr 5.56mm,  2 boxes of .45 auto, and one box of .38 spl.  The Walmart employee ask to see if I was over 21 and my pistol license to see if I were allowed to purchase pistol ammo, he  did not enter any of my information into a computer.  And I live in Great Democratic/Socialist state of NY...
 
 
*BTW, there was a BS email going around for over a year to alot of shooters forums about Walmart doing this.  I have purchased pistol ammo in NY and PA  in a Walmart and neither had entered any information in on me.
 
Here in ohio there is a four box at a time maximum... at wal-mart.
 
I watched the kid enter my license number... Why would I make that up?...
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I told him he better get a law degree, because trampling rights of Americans will get you in hot water...
 
I am curious...  which rights of yours exactly was this young man trampling?
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Johnny Hopper posts an interesting idea...Not sure if I would be a fan, but its interesting nonetheless.
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The main problem most CCW enthusiasts will cite on the subject of revolvers is concealing them. Revolvers are, by nature, much more top heavy and bulky than autos. Especially when we get into sub compacts.
 
And of course that raises the problem that gun manufacturers will have-the subcompact auto market is simply far too healthy to eliminate them from carrty altogether. Companies like H&K, Glock, and Springfield do alot of SC buisness.
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Originally posted by Ben Grimm Ben Grimm wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 
I told him he better get a law degree, because trampling rights of Americans will get you in hot water...
 
I am curious...  which rights of yours exactly was this young man trampling?
 
 
fourth amendment to the constitution... Putting your information out there in an easily "searched" method is an unreasonable search.
 
There have been many findings on the privacy part of this amendment, which applies in this case.
 
What if I purchased this ammo as a gift... Do they know that? Nope, and yet, if something happens and they come looking for "my" .32... Well, that is exactly the problem with this type of trampling of your rights.
 
Freedom, isn't sharing all of your information with government man/ or liberal student cashier who is trying to "help" the government do their job by trampling your rights to privacy.
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by Ben Grimm Ben Grimm wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 
I told him he better get a law degree, because trampling rights of Americans will get you in hot water...
 
I am curious...  which rights of yours exactly was this young man trampling?
 
 
fourth amendment to the constitution... Putting your information out there in an easily "searched" method is an unreasonable search.
 
There have been many findings on the privacy part of this amendment, which applies in this case.
 
What if I purchased this ammo as a gift... Do they know that? Nope, and yet, if something happens and they come looking for "my" .32... Well, that is exactly the problem with this type of trampling of your rights.
 
Freedom, isn't sharing all of your information with government man/ or liberal student cashier who is trying to "help" the government do their job by trampling your rights to privacy.
At which point you inform them, "I gave that ammo to my cousin bob." Then they check the ballistics in your .32, see they don't match up, and you're cleared, and they go looking for cousin bob.
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So quick to just give away "life LIBERTY and the persuit of happiness"... I see.

It doesn't surprise me, most people think freedom is overrated, and would like a nanny state like we are becoming.
 
Who needs free societies...
 
 
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Originally posted by Ceesman762 Ceesman762 wrote:

^^^^Shens!  I just ammo form Walmart last week.  6 boxes of Winchester 55gr 5.56mm,  2 boxes of .45 auto, and one box of .38 spl.  The Walmart employee ask to see if I was over 21 and my pistol license to see if I were allowed to purchase pistol ammo, he  did not enter any of my information into a computer.  And I live in Great Democratic/Socialist state of NY...
 
 
*BTW, there was a BS email going around for over a year to alot of shooters forums about Walmart doing this.  I have purchased pistol ammo in NY and PA  in a Walmart and neither had entered any information in on me.
 
Here in ohio there is a four box at a time maximum... at wal-mart.
 
I watched the kid enter my license number... Why would I make that up?...
Why would you make that up??? Because you enjoy spreading fear and misinformation.
Going back approx. one year, during the "ammo panic" Walmart was recieving complaints from customers about other customers buying up all the ammunition of a caliber. So Walmart put a limit on the amount you can purchase, both rifle and pistol calibers. That was lifted some time ago.  Now Just what license did he run? Drivers license or pistol license?  If it were a pistol license, he should have done nothing more than see if you were allowed to purchase pistol ammuniton.  My state does the same thing, If I go into a Walmart or any sporting goods or gun shop and buy a box of .38 spl, which is a pistol caliber, than I would have to show proof that I owned a pistol, a pistol permit.   Walmart sells hunting and fishing licenses in my state as they do in PA, why would Walmart harm their business of selling rifles and ammo if they did a check like this and recorded your information?  No hunter/shooter would go back and buy from them because their information has already been recorded by either a sales reciept, back ground check or having a pistol license.  I am still calling shens.
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by Ben Grimm Ben Grimm wrote:

 
I am curious...  which rights of yours exactly was this young man trampling?
 
fourth amendment to the constitution... Putting your information out there in an easily "searched" method is an unreasonable search.
 
 
Can we agree that WalMart is a private corporation citizen?
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by Ceesman762 Ceesman762 wrote:

^^^^Shens!  I just ammo form Walmart last week.  6 boxes of Winchester 55gr 5.56mm,  2 boxes of .45 auto, and one box of .38 spl.  The Walmart employee ask to see if I was over 21 and my pistol license to see if I were allowed to purchase pistol ammo, he  did not enter any of my information into a computer.  And I live in Great Democratic/Socialist state of NY...
 
 
*BTW, there was a BS email going around for over a year to alot of shooters forums about Walmart doing this.  I have purchased pistol ammo in NY and PA  in a Walmart and neither had entered any information in on me.
 
Here in ohio there is a four box at a time maximum... at wal-mart.
 
I watched the kid enter my license number... Why would I make that up?...
Why would you make that up??? Because you enjoy spreading fear and misinformation.
Going back approx. one year, during the "ammo panic" Walmart was recieving complaints from customers about other customers buying up all the ammunition of a caliber. So Walmart put a limit on the amount you can purchase, both rifle and pistol calibers. That was lifted some time ago.  Now Just what license did he run? Drivers license or pistol license?  If it were a pistol license, he should have done nothing more than see if you were allowed to purchase pistol ammuniton.  My state does the same thing, If I go into a Walmart or any sporting goods or gun shop and buy a box of .38 spl, which is a pistol caliber, than I would have to show proof that I owned a pistol, a pistol permit.   Walmart sells hunting and fishing licenses in my state as they do in PA, why would Walmart harm their business of selling rifles and ammo if they did a check like this and recorded your information?  No hunter/shooter would go back and buy from them because their information has already been recorded by either a sales reciept, back ground check or having a pistol license.  I am still calling shens.
 
Prove that I "enjoy spreading fear or misinformation."
 
 
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by Ben Grimm Ben Grimm wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 
I told him he better get a law degree, because trampling rights of Americans will get you in hot water...
 
I am curious...  which rights of yours exactly was this young man trampling?
 
 
fourth amendment to the constitution... Putting your information out there in an easily "searched" method is an unreasonable search.
 
There have been many findings on the privacy part of this amendment, which applies in this case.
 
What if I purchased this ammo as a gift... Do they know that? Nope, and yet, if something happens and they come looking for "my" .32... Well, that is exactly the problem with this type of trampling of your rights.
 
Freedom, isn't sharing all of your information with government man/ or liberal student cashier who is trying to "help" the government do their job by trampling your rights to privacy.

I do believe the constitution governs what the government can and cannot do, not what Walmart can and can't do.  
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by Ben Grimm Ben Grimm wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 
I told him he better get a law degree, because trampling rights of Americans will get you in hot water...

 

I am curious...  which rights of yours exactly was this young man trampling?


 

 

fourth amendment to the constitution... Putting your information out there in an easily "searched" method is an unreasonable search.

There are so many things wrong with this statement.

First, the fourth amendment of the constitution does not restrict what wal-mart or any of its employees do. It solely restricts what the federal government can do.

Second, something being easily search does not constitute a search. Leaving my front door unlocked makes searching my house pretty easy but it doesn't mean the police violated my fourth amendment rights because they could easily have searched it.

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Originally posted by Ceesman762 Ceesman762 wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by Ceesman762 Ceesman762 wrote:

^^^^Shens!  I just ammo form Walmart last week.  6 boxes of Winchester 55gr 5.56mm,  2 boxes of .45 auto, and one box of .38 spl.  The Walmart employee ask to see if I was over 21 and my pistol license to see if I were allowed to purchase pistol ammo, he  did not enter any of my information into a computer.  And I live in Great Democratic/Socialist state of NY...
 
 
*BTW, there was a BS email going around for over a year to alot of shooters forums about Walmart doing this.  I have purchased pistol ammo in NY and PA  in a Walmart and neither had entered any information in on me.
 
Here in ohio there is a four box at a time maximum... at wal-mart.
 
I watched the kid enter my license number... Why would I make that up?...
Why would you make that up??? Because you enjoy spreading fear and misinformation.
Going back approx. one year, during the "ammo panic" Walmart was recieving complaints from customers about other customers buying up all the ammunition of a caliber. So Walmart put a limit on the amount you can purchase, both rifle and pistol calibers. That was lifted some time ago.  Now Just what license did he run? Drivers license or pistol license?  If it were a pistol license, he should have done nothing more than see if you were allowed to purchase pistol ammuniton.  My state does the same thing, If I go into a Walmart or any sporting goods or gun shop and buy a box of .38 spl, which is a pistol caliber, than I would have to show proof that I owned a pistol, a pistol permit.   Walmart sells hunting and fishing licenses in my state as they do in PA, why would Walmart harm their business of selling rifles and ammo if they did a check like this and recorded your information?  No hunter/shooter would go back and buy from them because their information has already been recorded by either a sales reciept, back ground check or having a pistol license.  I am still calling shens.
 
Prove that I "enjoy spreading fear or misinformation."
 
 
Prove your Walmart story. By you posting that Walmart is taking notes on who is buying ammunition with no proof that they are, you are causing one of the forumers not to purchase ammunition at Walmart.


Edited by Ceesman762 - 20 April 2010 at 12:34pm
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