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The fact that Obama is a non-american socialist nazi
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

The fact that Obama is a non-american socialist nazi
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I don't keep up with these things, I just don't have time any more. But if you people (Tea Party) actually send up a presidential candidate, you've just guaranteed Obama a re-election and destroyed your cause. So I hope these are just little town hall meetings, and not turning into another Ross Perot incident.

Also, I'm not sure labeling all Tea Party elements as being fringe is completely accurate. Since there's no technical structure to the party, and no real spokesperson (Nailin' Palin aside), there's no way to determine any kind of belief system, other than conservative spending.
 
That being said, it's like my opinion of homeschooling. Rather than jump ship, why not attempt to repair it? The Republican party has been disorganized for years now, and the term conservative is just as vague and misunderstood as liberal. So instead of fixing blanket terminology, you create another blanket that's a complete and total mystery to everyone that hears it? Anyway, I'm assuming (read: hoping) that's not the case.
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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

V]That being said, it's like my opinion of homeschooling. Rather than jump ship, why not attempt to repair it? The Republican party has been disorganized for years now, and the term conservative is just as vague and misunderstood as liberal. So instead of fixing blanket terminology, you create another blanket that's a complete and total mystery to everyone that hears it? Anyway, I'm assuming (read: hoping) that's not the case.


You're saying we need a political snuggie?
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

V]That being said, it's like my opinion of homeschooling. Rather than jump ship, why not attempt to repair it? The Republican party has been disorganized for years now, and the term conservative is just as vague and misunderstood as liberal. So instead of fixing blanket terminology, you create another blanket that's a complete and total mystery to everyone that hears it? Anyway, I'm assuming (read: hoping) that's not the case.


You're saying we need a political snuggie?
Lol...actually I'm saying we need to burn the ones we have.
 
Since the two party system isn't going anywhere anytime soon, we need to work on aligning both parties closer to the views they're supposed to represent.
 
 
But I like that term, Snuggie...I think I'll use it in government this morning when the inevitable Tea Party mention is thrown out there Big smile
 
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Here is a question based on my beliefs. If I went to a bank and deposited $5000 in my safe deposit box, and 20 years later I want to withdraw the $5000. The bank responds they can only give me $3500 and they opened my safe deposit box and spent most of the money. Now is that legal.

Your answer should be NO, but. Now explain to me the Social Security System and the lockbox promised with my number on it.
That's not how social security works, never has been. It's not a retirement account. Social security taxes those currently working and gives it to those too old to work. If it worked like you seem to think it does it would have taken well over 20 years to go into effect.
Quote I will get back only a small percentage of what I payed in, the government spent the rest and gave it to others more deserving? And I bet you will see that as legal.
Well perhaps your generation should have thought of that when they decided to only have 2 children per couple when the previous generation was putting out much more. You old folks are the ones who slowed the population growth. Now there are a lot of you and not enough young people to pay for them.
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And now you trust them now to manage healthcare in the same ponsey scheme manner. Can't wait till you are over 60 and needing advanced healthcare, wanna bet on the governments response to your need.
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Redistribution of income, and with an extablished 50% not paying any income tax, and getting 'refunds' or credits. [/quote]Yeah, it is kind of sad that 50% of Americans need every penny they have in order to sustain our consumer driven economy. It's also really sad the great disparity between the rich and the poor that has only been growing since the 1980s. It's also sad that wages have pretty much stopped going up over the past 15 years so the real value is going down.
Quote My eyes are more wide open to this social utopia called NY, as the 'survivors' of leftist tax policies are moving out as soon as they can, and the response from Albany is not to lower taxes and make it more appealing to stay, but to increase the taxes on the new group of survivors, and repeat the process as needed. Can't punish the tax reciepiant, must punish the tax payer.

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The misconceptions of the Tea Party Movement is more than self evidant here. Most of the rhetoric is based on the alphabet medias representation not the actual movement. The original name 'Taxed Enough Already' did not set well with the tax, tax, tax agenda of the Federal Government. Political drift from both parties began, and as the movement got larger more issues were included. But the media's need for controversey and 'infotainment' began to paint the movement with a wide brush as one of a bunch of racist bigots, because yes the movement directly confronted Obama policies. I have attended 8 Tea Party events and have yet to see these 'nutjobs' that the media portrays the movement to be. Yes I have been involved with the 'self policing' of the more radical and 'infiltrators' who for thier own aganda stray from the message. And this Leftist conspiracy scheduled for Apr 15 to dilibertly continue to 'further' the myth that the media has set for the Tea Party Movement, and the idiots have a website dedicated to that agenda. That alone should lead to credability issues on any media story showing a 'negative' action during Thursday's events. The Republican Party has drifted towards the Democrats to where there is almost no differance. The NY 23rd fiasco was a case in point. Conservatism is a very distinct political agenda, the almost total opposite of the 'Liberal' Government' Plantation agenda. Keep the people on the 'Plantation' and make them dependant on the current owner(s), so there will be no contest when the 'owners' of the Plantation is threatened in the next election. The recent 50% do not pay taxes, or are totally 'tax consumers' stories show the differance. The 'tax provider' is required to pay more, as the roles of the 'tax consumer' expand under this administration. The 'Liberal' Message is "If you are a tax payer you do not pay enough, If you are a tax consumer you do not get enough." has finally overwhelmed the system. Social Security is a prime example of governments mismanagement of taxes.
I pay taxes on my SS recieved, so I am taxed on a tax I already paid, government logic there. Reality and age means that I do recieve SS disability along with a VA disability, and most of you will someday also reach the age and or conditions requiring Social Security. I am taxed almost 50% still in all taxes combined, and there are those that say even though disabled retired I do not pay enough in taxes, as I stand behind a young lady with three kids pulling out food stamps, and then paying more in cash for her cigarettes, alcohol, I-Pods, highend cell phone plan, etc. There is a distinct differance in 'priorities' and the Government only assists in this lack of personal priorities, by handing out more benifits.

As for being one of the 'self policing', I will support your right to dissent to the movement, but you need to do it over there. Totally legal under the law. You do not have the right to incite potential violence by 'infiltrating' (as planned) the event with the sole purpose of disrupting. We are to use NO Violence, we lock arms and walk foward to 'herd' the disruptive element to assigned areas, again totally legal. Each action will be video taped for thier and our protection from media misrepresentation of the event. And descretion is the better part of valor, lets see who throughs the first punch, 30 plus bikers vs some college students dressed in black hooded sweat tops, and or masked(the prescribed uniform of the 'active' agitators according to thier website) real nice, the Left movement is not brave enough to be identified.
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MBRO. Do you actually think that tax policies and government economic policies have seriously created and fosters this disparity of income. Excessive taxes do force bussiness out of areas, creating unemployment, and more government dependancy, hense a need for more taxes to support.
Mbro you do understand that you grandchildren are now tax liable for the stimulus, that promised to keep unemployment below 8% *we are now at 9.7% and climbing. And you find no fault with that government logic.
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You say republicans are drifting toward democrats, do you mean the 180 your party pulled since Obama's election? Yes, I'm aware of the difference between a tv news network and a political party. Your constituents, however, do not.
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By the way CNN is streaming Sarah Palin's speech in Boston, and I just can't stop facepalming.

All she's doing is shouting buzz words.


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Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:

By the way CNN is streaming Sarah Palin's speech in Boston, and I just can't stop facepalming.

All she's doing is shouting buzz words.


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Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:


By the way CNN is streaming Sarah Palin's speech in Boston, and I just can't stop facepalming.All she's doing is shouting buzz words.


Is that not the way of a polititian on either side of the aisle. And because you do not agree with her form of 'buzzwords' she is no differant in campaign mode than some 'community organizer' was in modifying each speach to the intended reciepiant. And you bought his 'buzzwords' hook line and sinker, and the differance is?

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OS, stop fighting it. You know as soon as you die, that you'll start voting democrat anyways.
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:


By the way CNN is streaming Sarah Palin's speech in Boston, and I just can't stop facepalming.All she's doing is shouting buzz words.


Is that not the way of a polititian on either side of the aisle. And because you do not agree with her form of 'buzzwords' she is no differant in campaign mode than some 'community organizer' was in modifying each speach to the intended reciepiant. And you bought his 'buzzwords' hook line and sinker, and the differance is?

There is no difference, other than you seem to be getting way too upset when someone on your side is criticized.

I don't care for partisan politics. I've maintained my point that this two party system is ruining the country and all these people really care about is how many votes they can keep and how long they can hold their seat. Stop trying to put words in others' mouths.

You want to know why I chose Palin to laugh at? Because she happened to be speaking at the moment.

Not sure I did. See, I didn't vote.
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I also loved this last night. Glenn Beck is of the opinion that if you don't pay taxes, you should be the ones to fight in the military. John Stewart then destroys his pathetic idea:

Video

And for the record, this is a shot at Glenn Beck specifically, because the man is crazy.
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Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:

Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Our local 'Rolling Thunder' group has been asked to 'escort' any found infiltrators from the site, and to cover from view any infiltrator groups using American Flags and the noise of the Bikes.

So you plan on responding to them though an infringement of their right to peacefully assemble and and an infringement on their right to free speech?



Amazingly invalid point.

The anti-Tea Party (for lack of a better term) are not peacefully assembling to express and support their views.  They are assembling for the specific purpose of disrupting/interfering with/damaging the reputation of a different group with an opposing view.  (They are in fact, meeting to do exactly what you are accusing OS and his group of doing.)
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bigjournalism.com has an article on the "ideals" of the guy who thought this anti tea party thing up...
 
Not forum safe, but enlightening to say the least...
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