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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 12:15pm |
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The OTHER GODS....they still sleep......................
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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 12:22pm |
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Free Enterprise ....................
Evolution is not something that you can 'believe' or not. It's science, you simply follow the facts.
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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 12:29pm |
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Sorry, that is not true.
Where did life come from? No matter how hard evolutionist spin, that question is the problem with evolution. Either some humans are more "evolved" than others, as darwin believed (blacks were considered half-ape half human...) Which is glossed over in schools today as it is so outrageous.
But, life gives life, we don't see life just "happening" by itself. That can be tested, and has been for centuries. And through that study (ie science) we see that life just doesn't appear on its own.
Now, look at how many types of life are on the earth... Thousands, each with its OWN DNA. DNA doesn't allow a monkey to turn into anything but a monkey. Period. No matter how many years you throw at it.
Are people that have science degrees and believe in Creationism, are they not scientists?...
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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 12:58pm |
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Breeding for genetic benefit is another example that proves that evolution has a weak foundation. My neighbor is a genetic farmer, who breeds Angus cows. These cows are bred to produce cows that have low offspring birth size that then grow very large, but the small calf at birth is key since most cows that are used in breeding large cows end up with large birth sizes, which result in more deaths during birth.
So, his cows are more valuable, and desirable, Does that mean he can breed one of them to become a dog?... Or a horse?... Of course not, and yet, that is what evolution is teaching, at some point, all of these animals came from something else, and turned into these complex animals...
Belief in that concept is a religion, one that is not to be questioned according to the large scientific bodies...
I see all of the life on earth and realize that a giraffe was created, there is no way that his neck just evolved because he liked leaves at the top of trees....
But, if you want to believe that evolution is real science then I guess you have no problem with man made global warming either... Both are being used to manipulate people to advance an agenda. And the agenda is to limit questions, and thought, just believe what you are told...
I prefer to think for myself.
Hmm, so they found soft tissue that was regenerated by adding water when they busted open 70,000,000 year old T-rex bones...
Maybe those bones aren't that old...
Naa, just keep believing the hype.
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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 1:13pm |
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And the idea of God creating an "old" earth is ridiculous and a cop out to not being able to explain processes that obviously happened. I.E. glaciel movement over millions of years.
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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 2:28pm |
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For probably 567th time, this is not a question that evolution tries to answer.
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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 2:35pm |
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repeating something 567 times, that is wrong doesn't make the statement correct.
Evolution of life section states
Despite the uncertainty on how life began, it is generally accepted that prokaryotes inhabited the Earth from approximately 3–4 billion years ago.[2][229] No obvious changes in morphology or cellular organization occurred in these organisms over the next few billion years.[230] The eukaryotes were the next major change in cell structure. These came from ancient bacteria being engulfed by the ancestors of eukaryotic cells, in a cooperative association called endosymbiosis.[99][231] The engulfed bacteria and the host cell then underwent co-evolution, with the bacteria evolving into either mitochondria or hydrogenosomes.[232] An independent second engulfment of cyanobacterial-like organisms led to the formation of chloroplasts in algae and plants.[233] It is unknown when the first eukaryotic cells appeared though they first emerged between 1.6 – 2.7 billion years ago. The history of life was that of the unicellular eukaryotes, prokaryotes, and archaea until about 610 million years ago when multicellular organisms began to appear in the oceans in the Ediacaran period.[2][234] The evolution of multicellularity occurred in multiple independent events, in organisms as diverse as sponges, brown algae, cyanobacteria, slime moulds and myxobacteria.[235] Soon after the emergence of these first multicellular organisms, a remarkable amount of biological diversity appeared over approximately 10 million years, in an event called the Cambrian explosion. Here, the majority of types of modern animals appeared in the fossil record, as well as unique lineages that subsequently became extinct.[236] Various triggers for the Cambrian explosion have been proposed, including the accumulation of oxygen in the atmosphere from photosynthesis.[237] About 500 million years ago, plants and fungi colonized the land, and were soon followed by arthropods and other animals.[238] Insects were particularly successful and even today make up the majority of animal species.[239] Amphibians first appeared around 300 million years ago, followed by early amniotes, then mammals around 200 million years ago and birds around 100 million years ago (both from "reptile"-like lineages). However, despite the evolution of these large animals, smaller organisms similar to the types that evolved early in this process continue to be highly successful and dominate the Earth, with the majority of both biomass and species being prokaryotes.[138] |
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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 2:38pm |
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facepalm.
FE, before you try and bash evolution, can you please go read what it actually teaches?
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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 2:39pm |
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So making up an answer to the origin of life = better than trying to actually find out....go religion...
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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 2:46pm |
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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 3:11pm |
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... Oh and FE your interpretation of evolution is a failure as usual. |
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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 3:14pm |
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Of course he can't because his lifespan as a geneticist is what, 50 years? How many generations of cows is that? BUT you agree that he can get what he wants from his cows by manipulating their genes? So if you take, say a WOLF, and manipulate it's genes, you'd get something that was closer to how you wanted it to be than how god made it. A dog perhaps? If you took said cows, and selected them for their ability to run, and selectively bred those cows, over a long time you could end up with something that'll be similar to a horse. But I'm talking more than the 10 generations your farmer friend has available to him. That is evolution. Forced evolution I'll admit, but it is evolution. Take the lessons forced onto the animals by nature and the need to survive, throw in a coulpe of thousand generations and what do you get? Giraffes. But again I get dragged back kickig and screaming. KBK |
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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 3:21pm |
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Did you not read the first 7 words?
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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 3:33pm |
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Yes, and taken in context with the rest of the part I posted is clear that they are saying that the building blocks of life began somehow... as a goo that over billions of years became you and me, and all the other life on earth.
That is much more likely than God creating the earth and all of life...
as far as giraffes, I would like to know how they developed the system that allows them to raise and lower their heads and control their blood pressure so that their brain doesn't explode... Did the first giraffes just blow up their brains until they "evolved" that amazing system of valves in their necks? Or was it Created?...
and look at how evolution is touted in this article... Typical of all sources today, with a massive push about evolutions impact in our lives. No wonder 70% of biological scientists are athiests...
"Modifications to the giraffe's structure have evolved, particularly to the circulatory system. A giraffe's heart, which can weigh up to 10 kg (22 lb) and measure about 60 cm (2 ft) long, must generate approximately double the normal blood pressure for an average large mammal to maintain blood flow to the brain. In the upper neck, a complex pressure-regulation system called the rete mirabile prevents excess blood flow to the brain when the giraffe lowers its head to drink. Conversely, the blood vessels in the lower legs are under great pressure (because of the weight of fluid pressing down on them). In other animals such pressure would force the blood out through the capillary walls; giraffes, however, have a very tight sheath of thick skin over their lower limbs which maintains high extravascular pressure in the same way as a pilot's g-suit." Edited by FreeEnterprise - 09 March 2010 at 3:38pm |
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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 3:44pm |
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lrn2naturalselection.
The organism with the traits best suited for survival live, and the organism least suited dies. This is to not say that the least suited organism couldn't have lived. So let's say a shorter necked species of giraffe was around. It may have been doing just fine. Longer necked ones were born but there was no reason for that trait to dominate as food at a low level was plentiful. Over time low food may have become scarce. The giraffes born with the longer necks were able to eat the trees that were taller. Over generations they reproduce offspring with the same trait, food becomes too scarce in small trees for the original short necks to survive and the long neck becomes fully dominant. As for the valves, most species have a valve that allows it to control blood pressure... |
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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 3:44pm |
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NO. That article is saying the origins of life are unclear, so we are going to start at point B, after life already exists. The whole goo part is being added in by you.
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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 3:50pm |
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Edited by oldpbnoob - 09 March 2010 at 3:56pm |
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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 4:02pm |
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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 4:23pm |
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FE, can you just answer one question for me?
How did God create life?
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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 4:42pm |
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By using Magic silly! God is Chris Angel ya know! |
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