An Asteroid wiped out dinosaurs...

Boxxy is evidence against evolution AND intelligent design.

Time to start from scratch, fellas.

:facepalm:
At the idea of going through the first 8 pages again that is.

Kayback wrote: No. I disagree with this statement most stringently. The Bible is NOT God's word. It is a document that has been compiled by humans minds, human hands and human technology. It has been subjected to many different interpretations, translations, condensing and erasures. It has been updated and edited, modernized and cut and pasted. It has been collected over thousands of years.

As my minister father in law says " God doesn't build churches, men do. That's why there are so many flaws within most". 

Edited by oldpbnoob - 11 March 2010 at 10:11am

FreeEnterprise wrote: Then feeding dinosaurs would be a problem, but, I'm sure some survived, as they adapted. SING IT WITH ME! (tune of hallelujah) EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH - VOH - LOO - SHUN! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH - VOH - LOO - SHUN! EH - VOH - LU - SHUN! EH - VOH - LU - SHUN! EH - VOOOOUUUUH - LU - SHUUUUUN! The ones that couldn't survive... well that should be all of them, as no plant life could survive under water for that long... as you say... so no herbivores can eat... which means no carnivores can eat for long... Anyway, let's say the plants magically appeared after the flood. The ones that couldn't survive for long on that plant life would be less likely to grow old and spread their seed. The ones that could... well... had that higher chance. Eventually, all that could survive were passing on the genes that allowed them and their ancestors to survive. What is that? The foundation of evolution. All through our history there are stories of dinosaurs, (with different names) and these stories always made the dinosaur to be the ultimate trophy. Were Sasquatch and la Chupacabra on the ark too? Warriors would kill them to build their reputation. Eventually, most became extinct, especially when you consider they are a threat to humans But they were on the ark. Surely they would be a threat to all animals on board. Caged? Sure. But what about they day they're all released?   Some are still around...   http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29848167 Well, yea. Evolution is what kept them around. Not in their current form, of course. They survived because the genes that give the traits that allow survival in their given environments have been passed on through many generations.

Ceesman762 wrote: Nessy did not need to get on the Ark!  Fact. cuz I said so.

For legitimacy.

Kayback wrote: Priests are paedophiles.

FreeEnterprise wrote: StormyKnight wrote: FreeEnterprise wrote: The whole point of the scriptures is that they are the word of God. Written by man.  Man is fallible.    The whole point of the scriptures is that they are the word of God. StormyKnight wrote: Written by man.  Man is fallible. 2 Timothy 3:16 (King James Version)  16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: So, either that is true, or the Bible is false...   http://baptistbiblehour.org/2009/10/06/is-the-bible-infallible-and-what-does-that-mean/     For me, I have found man to be liars by nature, scientists are some of the worst, as they use their influence to whittle money from society to further their studies. Perfect example, is the man made global warming scam. BILLIONS have been made from this scam, and even though there is tons of proof now that they were manipulating the data to show significant warming by using temperatures from data stations that were invented... Or had major changes over time (as in, a/c units installed next to the thermometer) or just flat out falsifications.   STILL our government is trying to force through massive cap and trade legislation...   The same is true with evolution. It is a humanistic world view that has permiated our culture to the point that you guys feel the need to call me names over and over instead of looking at what I present... This indoctination started when you were young and has been engrained into your subconscious as fact, when it is just a theory.

FreeEnterprise wrote:   I totally disagree. The whole point of the scriptures is that they are the word of God.   As recorded, translated, and edited by MAN over many many years. As you said yourself, people lie and are imperfect so why is the Bible or any other religious writing immune to this when it was not created and maintained by God but by man?   ... The same is true with evolution. It is a humanistic world view that has permiated our culture to the point that you guys feel the need to call me names over and over instead of looking at what I present... Believe me, we looked at what you presented. Then we challenged it with better logic and facts which you either ignored or replied to with nonsense. The name calling happens due to frustration over your complete inability to comprehend the fact that you're wrong. This indoctination started when you were young and has been engrained into your subconscious as fact, when it is just a theory. Um....no? The members of this forum are a pretty diverse group. You claim we're all a bunch of liberal, public-schooled, atheist fools yet there are plenty of members who are none of the above and still completely disagree with you. This unanimous disagreement with just about everything you say stems from the fact that you generally make ridiculous claims that can't be backed up (with reliable sources) which makes your arguments completely baseless. You have issues with certain types of people and you try to bend facts to support your opinions of these people. Then you try to push these views on everybody you come in contact with and you expect us all to just accept what you say and not challenge it? Also, I should mention that most forumers are Christian and have gone to some sort of CCD, sunday school, etc. where they received religious education outside of their normal school. This starts at a very young age as well. Is that not indoctrination? In school we learned about all different subjects and even learned the basics of christianity, judaism, buddhism, hinduism, islam, and a few other religions with no bias towards any of them. CCD only taught me one way of looking at things.   If your worldview is so shaky that questioning religion would cause that kind of bile towards us...  It further proves our point that society is being manipulated, all to accept religion without question... While never questioning the Bible.   The way you describe us sounds more like you to be honest. I've edited that paragraph to help you see your hypocrisy since I know that's tough for you.   If you were alive when science/church told us that the earth was flat... I guess you would have believed that too...   If there was evidence to support it and none to disprove it, maybe. At that time, all people knew was that if they looked in any direction it seemed that the land would continue along a flat plane rather than around a sphere (which we now know is just an illusion due to the massive size of the earth compared to us). Because observations supported the idea of a flat earth and science was limited, people believed it was flat. The church also went through great efforts to spread that belief. Science did prove that this was not true at which point people stopped believing it. So now we have the church telling us that God created man and the Earth is only a few thousand years old yet science is saying that the Earth is older and that man seems to have evolved from some other form of life. The only proof that we were created by God or that the Earth is merely a few thousand years old is the Bible. How interesting.   Just think about it. I suggest you do the same only with an open mind this time. Nobody is asking you to convert, just look at the facts and understand that you can believe in God and evolution. As others have mentioned, religion and the theory of evolution can coexist. It is possible that there is a God that created Earth and the first forms of life. It's also possible that these life forms evolved into other life forms, adding diversity. I don't believe in God but I acknowledge the fact that the existence of God can't really be proven/disproven so we can't really know for sure. That's why I hate when religious people try to push their beliefs on others or criticize those who don't believe. When the answer is unknown and it is left to opinion/faith, there is no right or wrong answer and anybody who attempts to label a view as absolutely one or the other without any proof is a fool, plain and simple.

StormyKnight wrote: Kayback wrote: Priests are paedophiles. All priests?  Is it just limited to priests of the Catholic Church or do you include clergy of other denominations?  I would love to read your convincing statement chock full of substantial, credible sources.

I was just replying to FE's statement that scientists shouldn't be believed because they lie to get grant money and sometimes mis represent their findings.

Personally I'd side with the guys who lie over the guys who lie with little kiddies.

Pope says Church must stand against paedophillia

More messing up kiddies

While both those points are aimed at the Catholic Church, FE refuses to cite which Christianity is the "better" or more correct one to follow, so I went with the biggest. (incidently also the branch that actively held back science progression by decades.

FE, in this "young world" theory of yours, you claim the planet is only 6000 years old, right? And 6000 years ago God made the sun 4.57 billion years old?

KBK

KBK


Edited by Kayback - 11 March 2010 at 1:29pm