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It's awful that I find Boxxy attractive. Is she even 18?
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Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

No. I disagree with this statement most stringently. The Bible is NOT God's word. It is a document that has been compiled by humans minds, human hands and human technology.

It has been subjected to many different interpretations, translations, condensing and erasures. It has been updated and edited, modernized and cut and pasted. It has been collected over thousands of years.
As my minister father in law says " God doesn't build churches, men do. That's why there are so many flaws within most". 
I have suggested it before, but any really interested shoudl read "The Shack". Interesting take on Christianity.


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Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Do you guys really not see the point I am making?

When you say things like "the earth isn't old because science is unreliable and humans fallible," then "when the church previously subverted science and misled entire societies, would YOU have been fooled,"
 
I lump "the church" in with "athiest" scientists in many cases, as I have said, man is fallible. Even the Church, as there have been many instances throughout history where they have manipulated man to get money or power...
 
 
 
then "ok, THIS science refutes the science those other, fallible scientists go by; it's aight for me to use as evidence and support for my argument," then "well it was COMPLETELY different from DNA we have ever seen before, so it MUST be a dinosaur," to "well actually, the DNA resembles a whale," I have to admit that I find it kind of hard to follow.
 
Yeah, I'm not the best at being clear at times... But, my point is this. The DNA was completely different (as in, no other DNA matched up to it anywhere close) The article I posted said it was 74% closest to whale DNA, which isn't a match, but close... Kind of like how monkey and man DNA are close.
 
The issue is, that evolution doesn't believe dinosaurs came from whales, they are very clear that dinosaurs will have similarities between current birds, and crocodiles. And yet this DNA clearly doesn't.
 
 
So true science would rethink the theory... But, there is too much riding on evolution as we have seen peoples entire world view has been manipulated by this theory, so questioning it is out of the question... We must change the results to fit the predetermined criteria... Which is called spin, and falsification in other words.
 
a lie.

Guess I'm not liberal enough Wink
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More responses after I get back from my midterm.
 
 
 
 
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

The answer is, it didn't... It just didn't fit the tiny parameters that were outlined by evolution...

 
See, the dino DNA HAS TO match up with specific animals, as evolution doctrine teaches that crocodiles and chickens are the current relatives to dinosaurs...
 
 
But, the actual DNA most matched whale DNA... And that throws a wrench in the theory... So they better dispute the findings...
 
 
 
So, blame the researchers and discredit them so their findings are thrown out... Yup, sounds like man made "science" to me...
 
 
Do you guys really not see the point I am making?


Edited by FreeEnterprise - 11 March 2010 at 10:18am
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a thread started by insane little man who has a beef with the goverment, us, and anyone else who does not agree with him.  pure win we have here gents...and he whines to the mods about our intolerance and thread derailing...
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Boxxy is evidence against evolution AND intelligent design.

Time to start from scratch, fellas.
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Boxy.../r/...
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Do you guys really not see the point I am making?

When you say things like "the earth isn't old because science is unreliable and humans fallible," then "when the church previously subverted science and misled entire societies, would YOU have been fooled," then "ok, THIS science refutes the science those other, fallible scientists go by; it's aight for me to use as evidence and support for my argument," then "well it was COMPLETELY different from DNA we have ever seen before, so it MUST be a dinosaur," to "well actually, the DNA resembles a whale," I have to admit that I find it kind of hard to follow.

Guess I'm not liberal enough Wink

More responses after I get back from my midterm.


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The answer is, it didn't... It just didn't fit the tiny parameters that were outlined by evolution...

 
See, the dino DNA HAS TO match up with specific animals, as evolution doctrine teaches that crocodiles and chickens are the current relatives to dinosaurs...
 
 
But, the actual DNA most matched whale DNA... And that throws a wrench in the theory... So they better dispute the findings...
 
 
 
So, blame the researchers and discredit them so their findings are thrown out... Yup, sounds like man made "science" to me...
 
 
Do you guys really not see the point I am making?
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and yet, you all believe the evolution tale so easily, when there is so much evidence that refutes it...
 
 
Why did the dinosaur DNA look totally different from anything we have ever seen before?
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

f you were alive when science/church told us that the earth was flat...

Actually, for a very long time science was at odds with the church about this, and there was never any science backing the purported flat-earth hypothesis. In fact, Aristotle proposed the earth was round 300 years before Christianity, and another Greek accurately (to a degree) calculated the earth's circumfrance around a hundred years later.

So, your statement should read "if you were alive when the church was misrepresenting science/purging scientific thoughts and practices because they were at odds with the church/denying the science of the round earth, you would probably believe the earth was flat too."


Not to mention Galileo was arrest under orders from the church for finding that the earth wasn't the center of the universe. 
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Priests are paedophiles.

If you want to play character assassination against "lying" scientists, get your own house in order first.

Thank you very much for bringing flat earth policy into the limelight. That and Geocentric theory was church doctrine for how long? They went to far as to excommunicate and sometimes even execute early scientists who blasphemed by saying the world wasn't the center of the universe. Guess what? It isn't. Science proved that pretty conclusively.

Quoting scripture to prove the validity of scripture is way off base. It is too easy to prove yourself right if you write your own proof.

F E is wrong.

Quote Kayback: F E is wrong


Easy.

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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

f you were alive when science/church told us that the earth was flat...

Actually, for a very long time science was at odds with the church about this, and there was never any science backing the purported flat-earth hypothesis. In fact, Aristotle proposed the earth was round 300 years before Christianity, and another Greek accurately (to a degree) calculated the earth's circumfrance around a hundred years later.

So, your statement should read "if you were alive when the church was misrepresenting science/purging scientific thoughts and practices because they were at odds with the church/denying the science of the round earth, you would probably believe the earth was flat too."
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Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Eventually, this proof of dinosaur DNA will come out,

I'll humor you: what exactly constitutes "proof" of the soft tissue having dinosaur DNA?
 
 
Well, according to evolution, Dino DNA has to come from whatever animal they say was the "father" of the dinosaur... And the children of the dinosaur must have similar dna, as it just mutated to its current form today over billions of years.
 
And evolution teaches that modern birds came from dinosaurs. So the DNA should match current bird DNA.
 
 
 
According to people who chose to believe the Bible instead of man, then they would think that dinosaur dna would be completely different from any other dna. As God created it with all the other land animals, and it would be as diverse as the DNA of all other life, and completely "new" compared to anything we have seen...
 
 
 
Well, what does science tell us about the DNA of dinosaurs?
 
 

DNA sequence from Cretaceous period bone fragments

Woodward SR, NJ Weyand, and M Bunnell

Department of Microbiology, Brigham Young University, Provo, UT 84602.

DNA was extracted from 80-million-year-old bone fragments found in strata of the Upper Cretaceous
Blackhawk Formation in the roof of an underground coal mine in eastern Utah. This DNA was used
as the template in a polymerase chain reaction that amplified and sequenced a portion of the gene
encoding mitochondrial cytochrome b. These sequences differ from all other
cytochrome b sequences investigated, including those in the GenBank and
European Molecular Biology Laboratory databases. DNA isolated from these bone fragments and
 the resulting gene sequences demonstrate that small fragments of DNA may survive in bone for
millions of years.


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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Eventually, this proof of dinosaur DNA will come out,

I'll humor you: what exactly constitutes "proof" of the soft tissue having dinosaur DNA?
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Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

Quote Question: Why would any Christian want to take manís fallible dating methods and use them to impose an idea on the infallible Word of God? Christians who accept billions of years are in essence saying that manís word is infallible, but Godís Word is fallible!


No. I disagree with this statement most stringently. The Bible is NOT God's word. It is a document that has been compiled by humans minds, human hands and human technology.

It has been subjected to many different interpretations, translations, condensing and erasures. It has been updated and edited, modernized and cut and pasted. It has been collected over thousands of years.

Holding the BIBLE up as Gospel is close to blasphemy, and it is claiming that man is infact infallible. If man isn't infallible, then he must make mistakes. That is the whole argument they are using for every scientist and geologist being wrong.

The Creator does not make mistakes. Humans do. All the time. Until God Himself hands me a copy of His Bible, I will always take what the Bible says as anecdotal.

Thousands of geologists studying the earth a wrong, but October 23, 4004 BC was thought up by one guy, using rough estimates. And that's the reson the earth is young?
 
 
I totally disagree. The whole point of the scriptures is that they are the word of God.
 

2 Timothy 3:16 (King James Version)

 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

So, either that is true, or the Bible is false...
 
 
 
For me, I have found man to be liars by nature, scientists are some of the worst, as they use their influence to whittle money from society to further their studies. Perfect example, is the man made global warming scam. BILLIONS have been made from this scam, and even though there is tons of proof now that they were manipulating the data to show significant warming by using temperatures from data stations that were invented... Or had major changes over time (as in, a/c units installed next to the thermometer) or just flat out falsifications.
 
STILL our government is trying to force through massive cap and trade legislation...
 
The same is true with evolution. It is a humanistic world view that has permiated our culture to the point that you guys feel the need to call me names over and over instead of looking at what I present... This indoctination started when you were young and has been engrained into your subconscious as fact, when it is just a theory.
 
If your worldview is so shaky that questioning evolution would cause that kind of bile towards me...  It further proves my point that society is being manipulated, all to accept evolution without question... While always questioning the Bible.
 
 
 
If you were alive when science/church told us that the earth was flat... I guess you would have believed that too...
 
 
 
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Quote Question: Why would any Christian want to take manís fallible dating methods and use them to impose an idea on the infallible Word of God? Christians who accept billions of years are in essence saying that manís word is infallible, but Godís Word is fallible!


No. I disagree with this statement most stringently. The Bible is NOT God's word. It is a document that has been compiled by humans minds, human hands and human technology.

It has been subjected to many different interpretations, translations, condensing and erasures. It has been updated and edited, modernized and cut and pasted. It has been collected over thousands of years.

Holding the BIBLE up as Gospel is close to blasphemy, and it is claiming that man is infact infallible. If man isn't infallible, then he must make mistakes. That is the whole argument they are using for every scientist and geologist being wrong.

The Creator does not make mistakes. Humans do. All the time. Until God Himself hands me a copy of His Bible, I will always take what the Bible says as anecdotal.

Thousands of geologists studying the earth a wrong, but October 23, 4004 BC was thought up by one guy, using rough estimates. And that's the reson the earth is young?
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Logically, if the earth flooded, and dinosaurs were introduced to a newly flooded earth that had no living vegitation for at least a while, as it started to grow from seeds. (over a month under water will kill just about any plant life, especially salt water).
 
Then feeding dinosaurs would be a problem, but, I'm sure some survived, as they adapted. All through our history there are stories of dinosaurs, (with different names) and these stories always made the dinosaur to be the ultimate trophy. Warriors would kill them to build their reputation. Eventually, most became extinct, especially when you consider they are a threat to humans.
 
Some are still around...
 
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Do you happen to have any links that aren't fromt he same website? It helps your case to have multiple sources.

Quote There is abundant evidence that the dinosaurs died in the Flood, except those taken aboard the Ark.


So what happened to THOSE dino's?

While there is world wide eveidence of an impact that was almost an ELE , it must be wrong because some data doesn't add up. There is only extremely sketchy data on a flood, but the flood MUST be right, even if all the data doesn't point to it.

I get where you are comming from now.

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