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    Posted: 15 December 2009 at 7:26am
Now, I know this isn't a 10 y/o child...But none the less. 
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The sword says yes. 


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Well duh this is justified, its a grown man with a katana!
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Hell, they would have been justified in immediately proceeding to lethal force. The fact that they restricted their use of force to a taser, even after it had already failed once, was unquestionably courageous, though perhaps not the best judgement- having already been tasered, the man came at them with a sword. I'm astonished he wasn't shot.

Good on the cops though, and it's unfortunate it ended in tragedy.
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That's exactly the type of situation the Taser was invented to solve.

Sad that it ended how it did.
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No obviously not. He died.

Are you joking? You can't kill a man, what do we just ignore innocent until proven guilty now and go straight to death sentence?
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Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

No obviously not. He died.

Are you joking? You can't kill a man, what do we just ignore innocent until proven guilty now and go straight to death sentence?


The man swung a sword at the officers, you're telling me if you had a gun on you and a man went at you with a sword you wouldn't pull it out a shoot him? This was 100% justified, sad it ended in tragedy but either way, he's lucky they did not go straight for their guns and shoot him.
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Originally posted by Enmity Enmity wrote:

Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

No obviously not. He died.

Are you joking? You can't kill a man, what do we just ignore innocent until proven guilty now and go straight to death sentence?


The man swung a sword at the officers, you're telling me if you had a gun on you and a man went at you with a sword you wouldn't pull it out a shoot him? This was 100% justified, sad it ended in tragedy but either way, he's lucky they did not go straight for their guns and shoot him.


They tased him twice. I am pretty sure once is enough.
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Did you read the article?

Because he pulled out the first set of leads.
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Seriously jmac?
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Originally posted by ParielIsBack ParielIsBack wrote:

Did you read the article?

Because he pulled out the first set of leads.


Yeah I'm sure he did. How convenient there is no evidence that can support that claim
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Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

Originally posted by ParielIsBack ParielIsBack wrote:

Did you read the article?

Because he pulled out the first set of leads.


Yeah I'm sure he did. How convenient there is no evidence that can support that claim


An autopsy could relatively easily discover the amount current going through his body, actually.  Two Tasers running current through him could legitimately kill him, but there would be telltale marks, probably even internally.

I'd bet he had a heart problem of some sort, that's generally the case when this happens.

Again, tragic, but should the cops have put their lives on the line to subdue this guy?  I don't think so.  Again, this is the exact situation Tasers were invented for.
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That's one of the real problems I have with the Taser. People with heart problems aren't visually distinguishable. That being said if I were ever in a situation where a cop had a Taser pointed at me I would do everything in my power to avoid being shocked. I know my heart problem probably wouldn't be a death sentence if shocked like that, as it is only minor at this point, but it still exists and I would not put myself in danger.

Are any other forms of less than lethal force still used or have all cops gone Taser happy?
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I find the whole thing shocking.

What a slice out of our liberties.
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Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:

That's one of the real problems I have with the Taser. People with heart problems aren't visually distinguishable. That being said if I were ever in a situation where a cop had a Taser pointed at me I would do everything in my power to avoid being shocked. I know my heart problem probably wouldn't be a death sentence if shocked like that, as it is only minor at this point, but it still exists and I would not put myself in danger.

Are any other forms of less than lethal force still used or have all cops gone Taser happy?


I do think that the Tasers causes cops to disregard the use of other non-lethals.

But I've also seen cops use billy clubs and pepper spray on people, even though they're carrying Tasers.  Generally, that only happens when they want people to move out of an area, rather than arrest them, though.  I'm not sure either would have helped in this situation.  Having a man blinded by pepper spray and wildly waving a sword around doesn't seem like a great solution to me.
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Sounds like a better solution than killing the man.

Didn't even have to have an electric chair, we just electrify mentally ill men before hand!
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In any use of force continuum this would qualify for the officers using deadly force, they attempted to just use less than lethal force to subdue the man.  They would have been justified to use lethal force in this circumstance but chose not to.

In addition all police officers loathe mace, it not only gets the suspect but will most likely end up on you or those around you and even if you avoid it while spraying it you will still end up on the ground wrestling with a five alarm bad guy.
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Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

Sounds like a better solution than killing the man.

Didn't even have to have an electric chair, we just electrify mentally ill men before hand!


Cause im sure thats what was going through their mind when a guy is waving a freaking katana in your face.


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