Dilemma

Tolgak, look at it as a lesson so that you don't get into an "uncomfortable" performance.  Support the orchestra, do it for them.

Edited by Ceesman762 - 03 December 2009 at 4:37pm

Tolgak wrote: Yomillio wrote: Dude, if you wanna play, go play and enjoy yourself.  Who cares about the setting, you'll still have a good time playing. I get that you wouldn't do it had you known about it, and thats fine.  I say just go for it. I just think this isn't the time to make some sort of stand, nevermind the fact that you'll end up having a good time. Actually, I don't enjoy playing this music. It's boring and simple and not at all challenging (except Hallelujah, I quite like that one). I'll have a good time if I can manage to keep up a conversation with the group around me, but there are no guarantees. As I said earlier in this thread, I'm going. The only reason is to support the orchestra. That is all.

Thats all the reason you need.

And yeah, oversight on my part for not processing the whole 'church music' thing.

FE, you don't have a problem with gay people but think a gay lifestyle is wrong? How does that even begin to make sense in your messed up brain?

Edited by jmac3 - 03 December 2009 at 5:17pm

You promsied attendance base on misrepresentation. You were told it would not be of a religious nature, and were misled. IUt is, and you feel qualms about that.

Being tolerant of something does not require one to be a participant.

brihard wrote: Tolgak wrote: Reb Cpl wrote: Tolgak wrote: As far as tolerance goes, I don't have to tolerate rituals or beliefs. Don't you rip on Christians for exactly this? As I've said before, I'll let people believe what they want to believe so long as they do not push their beliefs on other people. I doesn't matter to me if someone wishes ill against a demographic. It begins to matter when that person uses his influence on the lives of others to act on those beliefs. Bri: my initial preference was to do exactly as you said. But I value my commitment to the orchestra quite well, and have put in a considerable investment in time and money to get playing again. I certainly will take no part in anything other than music. You might have misread me- my recommendation was to attend out of respect for your peers whoa re relying on you, not out of any sense of commitment to the people who misled you. If nothing else, it's a practice concert.

And you may have misread me, because I just said exactly the same thing.

Damn the internet and its reduction in communication efficiency.

High Voltage wrote: A gig is a gig, Tolga. Play this one and hopefully you guys will get more in the future. Also, have some good laughs while you're playing the mass.

Agreed.

Have a chuckle at their mass and play the gig. You'll be glad you did. It's only two hours.

ammolord wrote: jmac3 wrote: FE, you don't have a problem with gay people but think a gay lifestyle is wrong? How does that even begin to make sense in your messed up brain?

I would assume FE thinks along the line that he doesn't want to infringe on other's rights or make a poor opinion of someone, although he does believe it is wrong.

Pretty similar on my thoughts on abortion - my moral standards say it is wrong unless rape or similar is involved (and adoption is of course an option for this anyways - trying to steer this away from an abortion argument), but I still believe the decision itself should be left up to one's own moral standards.

Just because one thinks something is wrong, doesn't mean that they have to take issue with it in every instance, especially with something like homosexuality.


Edited by Yomillio - 03 December 2009 at 6:39pm

Just treat it as a learning experience.

It's over. It bored the hell out of me and lost me an opportunity for a good night.

Did I learn anything? Yea, bring entertainment next time.

Darur wrote: Tolerance isn't just for the people being tolerated, its for the person who is doing the tolerating.  If you let yourself get so worked up and hurt over people worshiping in a way you disagree, you're only hurting yourself.

Again, my issue is that I was given an acceptable expectation for the performance, and it turned out to be a ritual I wished no involvement in. I was forced into it under false pretenses. I've stated it plenty of times and will say so again, I don't care who or what people worship, I don't want to be forced to listen to or support their rituals. Today I was forced to do both.

Anyway. The issue is now resolved, and a few of us in the orchestra made it clear to the founder that he should screen suspect performances and tell us the reason behind them before asking for our commitment.