Four police ambushed, murdered in WA

Tical3.0 wrote: 187

on a motha .... cop

Kayback wrote: Besides the fact that they are putting their lives on the line to protect the "4 random dudes", they are also a symbol of authority and a symbol of the law. Killing them IS more than killing random people's it is directly attacking the state.

It would be hard to argue that this guy was attacking "the state".  There's an implied political purpose there which he didn't have -- seeing how he said he was "going to kill some cops and watch the news".

Cops should, in my opinion, have the knowledge that if something does happens to them the ultimate punishment will be levied on the badguys.

A) This is perhaps biased, since you are one.

B) Don't most people want this?  Cops just have it because they have the power to actually take revenge for fallen officers.  I'm not saying that's how this case turned out, but again, cop killers rarely make it to trial.

I don't know what the law in the States says but in SA if you are on parole or whatever and you commit another crime you get thrown back in jail for your orginal sentence and await trial for your next trial.

I'm pretty sure that is how it works.

Linus wrote: In many / most states, it's a felony to assault a cop, firefighter, or EMS personnel, punishible by much more time in prison than assaulting a random civilian.

Another reason people will walk around with a holier than thou attitude. A life is a life.

High Voltage wrote: Linus wrote: In many / most states, it's a felony to assault a cop, firefighter, or EMS personnel, punishible by much more time in prison than assaulting a random civilian.    Another reason people will walk around with a holier than thou attitude. A life is a life.

If you honestly believe a life is a life, and all lives are equal, you're wrong. A life of a person who vows to protect innocent people is NOT equal to a life spent terrorizing people, and murdering 4 in cold blood.

Mixon's life was not equal to Sergeant Sakai's or Sergeant Romans life. (Oakland shooting).   Maurice Clemmons life was not worth the paper his birth certificate was printed on. And if what they are saying about Clemmons 6 accomplices turns out to be true, hopefully they get what they deserve as well.



So no, a life is not a life. Lives are not equal. You make choices in your life, and those choices determine your worth. If your life is centered around causing harm to innocent people, then your life is worthless, good riddance.

Linus wrote: High Voltage wrote: Linus wrote: In many / most states, it's a felony to assault a cop, firefighter, or EMS personnel, punishible by much more time in prison than assaulting a random civilian.    Another reason people will walk around with a holier than thou attitude. A life is a life. If you honestly believe a life is a life, and all lives are equal, you're wrong. So no, a life is not a life. Lives are not equal.

HAHAHAHAHA


I'll agree a cop is not equal to a murderer but you best not believe that is true about any normal person to a cop or EMT

I think professional athletes are more important than everyone except doctors.

Edited by Frozen Balls - 02 December 2009 at 3:59pm

I would like to point out that that last statement might be true.

I don't think any one human life is inherently more valuable than another one. That said, there are other principles that go into criminal sentencing, including general and specific deterrence, denunciation of certain offences, and segregating an offender form society due to the level of risk he or she presents. Someone who deliberately murders emergency services is probably of a greater level of risk to society at large, and I think it's appropriate that there are consequently harsher sentences on average for these individuals.

Way to prove my point, Linus.

No, Uncle, you're missing the ball entirely. I never said criminals aren't human, or criminal lifes aren't lifes. I said violent criminals who have made the conscious decision to murder people for no other reason but their enjoyment should NEVER be considered anyone elses equal. Two totally separate scenarios you're mixing up.

If there were 2 people who's lives were in danger and you can only save one, one a normal everyday person, the other a felon convicted of 4 counts of 1st degree murder, no doubt in anyones mind, you can not honestly tell me you would put both on the same equal playing field. Their lifes are NOT equal. Maybe they were when they were younger, but the moment the murder decided to take someones life for their enjoyment, their equal card got thrown in the trash.



Osamas life is not equal to yours. Al Zaeqawis life was not equal to HV. Mixon's life is not equal to Rebs newborn kid. Sorry, I'll never believe otherwise.


And before someone plays the card I know they will and brings it up, yes, my job IS to save lives, and I never said I'd treat a known murderer any differently if they were my patient. I just don't have to view them as my equal.

Edited by Linus - 02 December 2009 at 11:45pm