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choopie911
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Posted: 23 November 2009 at 9:49pm |
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Yeah, OS X only has the option to use the software the computer ships with to do anything. Now that you mention it, that IS a common difference I have certainly heard mentioned elsewhere before, and completely true.
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Posted: 23 November 2009 at 11:06pm |
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and mac users wonder why they have a terrible reputation.
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ParielIsBack
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Posted: 23 November 2009 at 11:09pm |
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:facepalm: I'm assuming you've used past versions of Windows. None of them came with a PDF reader. If you didn't want to pay money for an OS without a PDF reader, then don't. But don't complain about it when you absolutely should have expected it not to have one. If you're really going to argue that there are anywhere near as many programs for OS X as for Windows, I will gladly sit back and laugh at you. |
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Shub
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Posted: 23 November 2009 at 11:40pm |
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Microsoft Virtual PC. I don't know why it isn't bundled into Win7, since one of Win7 Pro's selling points is the Virtual XP mode built in (which requires that users go download and install MS Virtual PC.
But Virtual PC will allow you to mount isos. |
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choopie911
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Posted: 23 November 2009 at 11:50pm |
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So the fact that windows didn't have pdf support in the past is a good reason not to include it now how?
Isn't the point for an os to be better, not just on par? |
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Posted: 24 November 2009 at 12:02am |
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When Microsoft recently released their free antivirus software, MS Security Essentials, the A/V companies went nuts. Symantec, McAfee and everyone else was crying foul from Microsoft for undermining their business.
I just have the feeling that there was some dirty backroom deal made that keeps Microsoft from embedding a PDF reader into Windows. |
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Posted: 24 November 2009 at 12:06am |
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Just out of curiosity, how long has apple offered native PDF support? I honestly don't know.
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Posted: 24 November 2009 at 12:49am |
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No gonna lie... as I read this sentence, I couldn't stop thinking about how it seemed to be describing a Mac. |
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Posted: 24 November 2009 at 11:27am |
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I installed W7 using DaemonTools just fine...
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Posted: 24 November 2009 at 11:26pm |
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I won't deny that nearly everybody needs to be able to open PDF's at some point so it would be convenient to have native support. However, who cares? It takes 2 seconds to download acrobat reader and then you're set. Why did MS decide not to support PDF natively? Maybe there's a licensing issue or maybe people would flip out and accuse MS of taking over the PDF market just for making windows capable of reading those file types. I doubt anybody here could actually answer that question.
I could complain about Windows not coming with Firefox or Winamp or Visual Studio, etc. You can pick nearly anything and find a large group of people who could benefit from having it included in the Windows install but that doesn't mean it should be included. Granted PDF support would probably benefit more people than any specific application, it's still such a minor issue. I think the fact that you're complaining about that rather than how it handles core OS duties would indicate success on their part. After all, Windows is supposed to be an OS, not an uber-app that does everything for you. It's best if MS focuses on making a good OS and lets companies like Adobe focus on making the PDF readers and the same goes for other apps. Those extras just distract them from their main goal of making a solid OS without bloat. |
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Posted: 25 November 2009 at 12:20am |
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Apple has an extremely easy to use system preferences menu that still manages to avoid looking like it was designed for six year olds. ![]() ![]() |
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Posted: 25 November 2009 at 12:33am |
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I don't see how Windows looks any more like it was designed for children than any interface designed by Apple.
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Posted: 25 November 2009 at 3:00am |
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And that's why you use windows.
Uh? By adding support to an image viewing program? How would other operating systems do this without the same "licensing issues" of supporting a filetype? Mac uses Preview to open your average picture, but also works for PDF's. It works fine, but if you still want the choice of something else, there still are other options, it just works by default as well.
All of those are specific programs, not general support of a common filetype.
Yeah, because windows including file support was what caused them problems in the past. That was why there was bloat, for sure. And I never said windows should be an uber app, I just think it should include basic important functionality and support that nearly all users will need, and could be easily included. As previously stated you can still get a better one (firefox instead of IE is a current example) All that aside, I'm REALLY annoyed by the fact that I almost always have to restart after an install, even of a really small simple application like poweriso, etc. I don't get why you need to restart your computer after a minor application install. System/ OS update sure, that makes sense....adding a small application.....come on. |
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Posted: 25 November 2009 at 4:04am |
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Ok, pretty sure choopie is just trolling now
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ParielIsBack
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Posted: 25 November 2009 at 9:45am |
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You know what's funny, Choop?
Currently posting from my Mac. I use Windows on it because I discovered just how stupid my overpriced Mac was over the course of last year. OS X isn't any more powerful than Windows, Apple has a nice little price gouge going on, and I can't play the vast majority of games on it. If I ever have another Unix machine, it'll be running Linux.
OK, Darur has to be right. You have to be trolling. Again, if you don't like Windows, don't buy it. But when you buy an OS you know doesn't have one minor program, and then complain about it, you're just whining. Edited by ParielIsBack - 25 November 2009 at 9:52am |
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Posted: 25 November 2009 at 10:15am |
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Fail thread is fail.
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Posted: 25 November 2009 at 4:52pm |
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Microsoft plays by different rules because they carry nearly 90% of the market share. Mac includes Safari and itunes into OS X and that is called good bundled features. Windows includes Internet Explorer and Media Player, and the EU calls it Antitrust. |
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Posted: 25 November 2009 at 4:57pm |
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"The complaint centered on the license practices at the time which required royalties from each computer sold by a supplier of Microsoft's operating system, whether or not the unit actually contained the Windows operating system. Microsoft reached a settlement in 1994, ending some of its license practices"
And as I recall the IE issue was with a microsoft monopoly? I could be wrong, as it's been AGES since I heard/ thought about those cases, so I wouldnt be too surprised if I'm off on something. |
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Posted: 25 November 2009 at 4:59pm |
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I fail to see why people complain how an OS is crap or a failure based on one or two minor and easily fixed issues.
Its the same as a child whinnying about the 100 dollar bill their parents give them because a corner is bent.
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choopie911
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Posted: 25 November 2009 at 5:05pm |
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Not really, it's expecting certain features to be common sense and working by this day and age, and thinking it's laughable that they still don't. |
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