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    Posted: 09 November 2009 at 10:24pm

A woman told me recently, "Its almost impossible to be a Christian and be a democrat anymore."

And while I understand that I'm doing a bit of generalizing and stereotyping, I don't mean to imply that this holds true with all Christians/conservatives. Anyways, onto the real topic.
 
I've been thinking lately and I honestly don't understand something. Why are Christians (typically) republicans? Jesus taught to love your neighbor as yourself (equality). He taught that greed is bad and its much more noble to share your wealth with the poor (socialistic). He taught that even those who are 'sinners' and don't follow Jesus are not to be belittled. In fact, Jesus spent most of his time with people like that. Yet many Christians today are against gays, for free enterprise*, many look down upon other religions, especially atheists. It doesn't make any sense? Why do so many conservatives flock in the complete opposite direction, despite many of them believing Jesus was the greatest/wisest person to ever live?
 
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** Also, I know Christian =/= Conservative, but you get my point.


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Because with the indoctrination towards the political party of choice, religious adults teach their children to think the holy people of their religion would be of their favored party if they were alive today. This is true for damn near all religious people who teach their kids politics before they understand the platforms they're being taught.
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understandable, but would'nt you think they'd catch on by now?

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Basically Christian belief system is in direct competition with Liberal beliefs. Example Christians believe in charity, voluntary giving to the less fortunate, Liberals believe in 'benifit give aways' by taking from the successfull and giving it to the less advantaged. Before the 1964 "Great Society" churches were the primary backers of hospitals, then the state and for profit began. Currently the most successful and not in debt not for profit childrens hospitals are the Shriner's Hospital, and St. Judes (Memphis,TN Danny Thomas Foundation)both run on pure donations and charity. Where the state and private hospitals relie on federal assistance programs with the appropiate strings attached, which end up with some form of government regulators running the hospital.

Right now it is almost a 'crime' to have a belief system other than the state. Christmas programs are 'banned' in schools, based on religious overtones, yet the universal taking of a 'religious' holiday on 25 Dec still exsists even in the atheist community. SO they get the cake and eat it to, where the believer can only wish for the cake (back to tradition).

Many of the platforms of Liberal Democrats are in direct conflict with Christian Traditions and Beliefs (Gay MArriage, Abortion, etc), so the bleiver is now in a conflict, between his/her faith, and required political alligience.

Indoctronation runs deep both ways. Religion is the Salvation of Mankind, Religion is the curse of Mankind. And the teaching of youth is directly effected, yet the state controls the schools, and teaches a "Religion of No Religion" where the Diety is the State itself.

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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Basically Christian belief system is in direct competition with Liberal beliefs.

What is a liberal belief?


Example Christians believe in charity, voluntary giving to the less fortunate,

I believe in this.

Liberals believe in 'benifit give aways' by taking from the successfull and giving it to the less advantaged. Where do you come up with this generalization? 

Before the 1964 "Great Society" churches were the primary backers of hospitals, then the state and for profit began. Currently the most successful and not in debt not for profit childrens hospitals are the Shriner's Hospital, and St. Judes (Memphis,TN Danny Thomas Foundation)both run on pure donations and charity.

If every hospital ran on donations and charity, we would not have very many hospitals. There is only so much of that money to go around.

 Where the state and private hospitals relie on federal assistance programs with the appropiate strings attached, which end up with some form of government regulators running the hospital.

What is wrong with government regulations?

Right now it is almost a 'crime' to have a belief system other than the state. Christmas programs are 'banned' in schools,

No they're not.

 based on religious overtones, yet the universal taking of a 'religious' holiday on 25 Dec still exsists even in the atheist community.

Somewhere along the line Christmas became a national holiday. This is why everyone pretty much gets it off. Kids get it off from school because now it is just the accepted vacation week.

SO they get the cake and eat it to, where the believer can only wish for the cake (back to tradition).

What?

Indoctronation runs deep both ways. Religion is the Salvation of Mankind, Religion is the curse of Mankind. And the teaching of youth is directly effected, yet the state controls the schools, and teaches a "Religion of No Religion" where the Diety is the State itself.

Once again, no religion=/=a religion. I think you are letting FE talk you into this one. I don't remember you ever saying this before.



Also, what does your post have to do with the OP?
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Its because many Christians don't even know their own religion. They just go to church and do/say/think whatever the dude from the pulpit tells them the Bible states to do/say/think. They don't bother to read and study the Bible, both content and context. The fault of many Christians is their ignorance of their own religion.
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Basically Christian belief system is in direct competition with Liberal beliefs. Example Christians believe in charity, voluntary giving to the less fortunate, Liberals believe in 'benifit give aways' by taking from the successfull and giving it to the less advantaged. Before the 1964 "Great Society" churches were the primary backers of hospitals, then the state and for profit began. Currently the most successful and not in debt not for profit childrens hospitals are the Shriner's Hospital, and St. Judes (Memphis,TN Danny Thomas Foundation)both run on pure donations and charity. Where the state and private hospitals relie on federal assistance programs with the appropiate strings attached, which end up with some form of government regulators running the hospital.

Right now it is almost a 'crime' to have a belief system other than the state. Christmas programs are 'banned' in schools, based on religious overtones, yet the universal taking of a 'religious' holiday on 25 Dec still exsists even in the atheist community. SO they get the cake and eat it to, where the believer can only wish for the cake (back to tradition).

Many of the platforms of Liberal Democrats are in direct conflict with Christian Traditions and Beliefs (Gay MArriage, Abortion, etc), so the bleiver is now in a conflict, between his/her faith, and required political alligience.

Indoctronation runs deep both ways. Religion is the Salvation of Mankind, Religion is the curse of Mankind. And the teaching of youth is directly effected, yet the state controls the schools, and teaches a "Religion of No Religion" where the Diety is the State itself.
If you don't want to accept gay marriage in your religion, fine. You have no right to deny it on a government level. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Remember, Jesus went and talked with the woman at the well, he didnt regard her as any less of a person do deny her anything just because she was a 'sinner' in the bibles view.
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Originally posted by jerseypaint jerseypaint wrote:

Its because many Christians don't even know their own religion. They just go to church and do/say/think whatever the dude from the pulpit tells them the Bible states to do/say/think. They don't bother to read and study the Bible, both content and context. The fault of many Christians is their ignorance of their own religion.



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Originally posted by jerseypaint jerseypaint wrote:

Its because many Christians don't even know their own religion.
 
Or at least "Old Testament Christianity" is particularly strong in the US.  What is taught in the conservative churches has less to do with Jesus and more to do with Yahweh; less "turn the other cheek" and more "eye for an eye"; less "let him cast the first stone" and more "shall be stoned to death"; less "the meek shall inherit the earth" and more ... ok, don't have one here; less forgiveness and more abomination; less golden rule and more "my way or the highway."
 
 
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Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

Originally posted by jerseypaint jerseypaint wrote:

Its because many Christians don't even know their own religion. They just go to church and do/say/think whatever the dude from the pulpit tells them the Bible states to do/say/think. They don't bother to read and study the Bible, both content and context. The fault of many Christians is their ignorance of their own religion.



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I didn't read any of the reply's but ya, I am christian, and if I was an American I would vote democratic even though I differ greatly with some major issues like abortion.
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Originally posted by Ben Grimm Ben Grimm wrote:

less golden rule and more "my way or the highway."

Or rather, Yahweh or no way?

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I didn't read any of the reply's but ya, I am christian, and if I was an American I would vote democratic even though I differ greatly with some major issues like abortion.
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The real answer is: Republicans are slower on the uptake, and haven't figured out the sillyness of religion yet.
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

The real answer is: Republicans are slower on the uptake, and haven't figured out the sillyness of religion yet.
I'm against religion, don't get me wrong. I just don't get why so many people blatantly ignore what their religion tells them to do.
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Because they know better than jesus what jesus meant when he said love thy neighbour. He meant screw everyone but yourself.
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Because they know better than jesus what jesus meant when he said love thy neighbour. He meant screw everyone but yourself.
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I'm joking, as I know some people will take this supr srs
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I'm joking, as I know some people will take this supr srs
I see FE reacting well to this thread... [/sarcasm]
 
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