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    Posted: 07 November 2009 at 11:13pm
Under the new soon to be voted on health care plan:

http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=153583

Check your wallets, going to get a lot lighter paying for this fiasco. NOt only do you have to pay $15,000 for a policy, you have to pay more in taxes for others to have health care. So much for the promise.

Edited by oldsoldier - 07 November 2009 at 11:13pm
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Originally posted by the letter the letter wrote:


The additional tax applies only to United States citizens and resident aliens.  The additional tax does not apply to those who are residents of the possessions or who are dependents, nor does it apply to those whose lapses in coverage are de minimis or those with religious conscience exemptions.  The additional tax does not apply if the maintenance of acceptable coverage would result in a hardship to the individual or if the person's income is below the threshold for filing a Federal income tax return.


There are cases, including religious, that exempt you from the tax and coverage.  But really, you are complaining about people being punished for tax evasion.
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Damn Obama making tax evasion illegal.
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A decent healthcare plan costs like $20k plus, doesn't it?

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Originally posted by Frozen Balls Frozen Balls wrote:

A decent healthcare plan costs like $20k plus, doesn't it?


$15k is probably on the cheap side, yes.
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My parents don't have that extra 15 grand to throw around, personally.
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Originally posted by ParielIsBack ParielIsBack wrote:

Originally posted by Frozen Balls Frozen Balls wrote:

A decent healthcare plan costs like $20k plus, doesn't it?


$15k is probably on the cheap side, yes.


So I guess I am confused. Why is thing so terrible?

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Because apparently health insurance is something people actually don't want.
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Originally posted by ParielIsBack ParielIsBack wrote:

Because apparently health insurance is something people actually don't want to pay for.


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Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

My parents don't have that extra 15 grand to throw around, personally.


Subtract what they currently pay for health insurance first.
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:


Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

My parents don't have that extra 15 grand to throw around, personally.
Subtract what they currently pay for health insurance first.


Stop being logical whale, just H8!
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:


Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

My parents don't have that extra 15 grand to throw around, personally.
Subtract what they currently pay for health insurance first.


Stop being logical whale, just H8!


In that case, I heard there will be death panels to kill grandma.
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Just remmeber within the bill is a cost chart, if the cost vs longevity does not equate, health care for the elderly (the largest health care cost in the nation)may end up being deemed fiscally inappropiate, and only a 'maintenece' treatment (ease painfree into death) may be allowed. Not quite a "Death Panel" but once you get up here in age, closest thing to Soylent Green there is.


If grandma is 91 and failing, do you really believe that the health care system is going to sink a couple hundred thouseand into her to extend her life, oh maybe 6 months. Don't think so. How long will they attempt for cancer remission, before they say too expensive?
You have a dibilitating stroke, and in coma, where is the new mandated government line on health care costs, balancing whether patient come out of coma, and quality of life post stroke, is it a good financial 'risk'?
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OH and if you are one of the couple million who by choice do not have health care insurance based on thier healthy lifestyle, where is that $15,000 going to come from in todays economic conditions?

And the promise of no middle class tax hikes, or change in lifestyle to fund this fiasco, $15,000 can be quite a hit for those not currently insured, by choice.
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Originally posted by Eville Eville wrote:

Originally posted by the letter the letter wrote:


The additional tax applies only to United States citizens and resident aliens.  The additional tax does not apply to those who are residents of the possessions or who are dependents, nor does it apply to those whose lapses in coverage are de minimis or those with religious conscience exemptions.  The additional tax does not apply if the maintenance of acceptable coverage would result in a hardship to the individual or if the person's income is below the threshold for filing a Federal income tax return.


There are cases, including religious, that exempt you from the tax and coverage.  But really, you are complaining about people being punished for tax evasion.
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:


If grandma is 91 and failing, do you really believe that the health care system is going to sink a couple hundred thouseand into her to extend her life, oh maybe 6 months. Don't think so. How long will they attempt for cancer remission, before they say too expensive?
You have a dibilitating stroke, and in coma, where is the new mandated government line on health care costs, balancing whether patient come out of coma, and quality of life post stroke, is it a good financial 'risk'?


Can you back any of this up please? Or is this just more "what if" paranoia with no basis?
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

OH and if you are one of the couple million who by choice do not have health care insurance based on thier healthy lifestyle, where is that $15,000 going to come from in todays economic conditions?

And the promise of no middle class tax hikes, or change in lifestyle to fund this fiasco, $15,000 can be quite a hit for those not currently insured, by choice.

I don't drive, when will i be able to deem that based on my lifestyle, I no longer feel like paying taxes for roads?

Furthermore, I never plan on having my house set on fire since I live a cautious lifestyle. Why do I have to pay for firefighters?


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Quote According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speakerís bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.


So, it'd be $15k for a FAMILY without any grouping. This means that it would be the worst possible scenario which isn't likely to happen.

Nowhere in your link does it state what constitutes a family plan or how grouping works OS.

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Has anyone seen a breakdown of estimated costs per year for a couple of different possible family sizes and income levels?

For that matter, can anyone actually summarize exactly what this bill *does*?
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