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Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

Quote According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.


So, it'd be $15k for a FAMILY without any grouping. This means that it would be the worst possible scenario which isn't likely to happen.

Nowhere in your link does it state what constitutes a family plan or how grouping works OS.

Talk about spin...

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Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:


Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

Quote According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speakerís bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.


So, it'd be $15k for a FAMILY without any grouping. This means that it would be the worst possible scenario which isn't likely to happen.

Nowhere in your link does it state what constitutes a family plan or how grouping works OS.

Talk about spin...


Hey, this is the no spin zone. Everything else is spin but this.
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Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Has anyone seen a breakdown of estimated costs per year for a couple of different possible family sizes and income levels?

For that matter, can anyone actually summarize exactly what this bill *does*?
 
I'm curious myself. There's far more rhetoric than information out there, I'd like to see a break down and summary of what exactly the coverage consists of, the actual costs, and the specifics...minus grandma death squads and left wing spin.
 
I'll have to look more into this after work, or if anybody has a good link that would be epic.
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Problem is in the language of the bill there is no true Table of Organization, or any Tables of Costs. All the language basically addresses id thdesire to 'reform' the way health care is administered. A very open ended word, 'reform' now subject ot the whims and desires of Congress (Democrats to be specific) to tie a 'benifit' to an voter base. Before the Medicare Seniors were a powerfull voting bloc, so Medicare was off limits. Now with the Gen X crowd forming a larger and more powerfull voting block, the seniors were thrown under the bus and the sacred cow Medicare was sacrificed (see funding cut)for this new fiasco.

I have read the entire bill 1990 pages, and nowhere can specific language be found designating actual spending. The penalty for non-compliance is well out lined, but compliance to what is a question the bill does not answer.

So as this beast morphs as it goes through the Senate, and then back to the House for final vote, I am interested if the General Public will ever actually see a true Table of Organization, and or a Tabled Accounting of Funding and Outlay.

But Yea, Rah Rah it did Pass, but what actually passed.

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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Problem is in the language of the bill there is no true Table of Organization, or any Tables of Costs. All the language basically addresses id thdesire to 'reform' the way health care is administered. A very open ended word, 'reform' now subject ot the whims and desires of Congress (Democrats to be specific) to tie a 'benifit' to an voter base. Before the Medicare Seniors were a powerfull voting bloc, so Medicare was off limits. Now with the Gen X crowd forming a larger and more powerfull voting block, the seniors were thrown under the bus and the sacred cow Medicare was sacrificed (see funding cut)for this new fiasco.

I have read the entire bill 1990 pages, and nowhere can specific language be found designating actual spending. The penalty for non-compliance is well out lined, but compliance to what is a question the bill does not answer.

So as this beast morphs as it goes through the Senate, and then back to the House for final vote, I am interested if the General Public will ever actually see a true Table of Organization, and or a Tabled Accounting of Funding and Outlay.

But Yea, Rah Rah it did Pass, but what actually passed.


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Here it is, read on. A lot of big word and numbers so expect a TL/DR from the majority here.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21803801/H-R-3962-Affordable-Health-Care-for-America-Act-as-Introduced

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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Here it is, read on. A lot of big word and numbers so expect a TL/DR from the majority here.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21803801/H-R-3962-Affordable-Health-Care-for-America-Act-as-Introduced

It's also 1990 pages.

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There's actually quite a bit in there that sets up new structures for the evaluation of nursing homes and skilled nursing facilities.
 
So shens on the hatred for the elderly?
 
Not that I'm making any calls, right now I'm just digging through facility regulations and skimming over the basics. It'll take me a long time to read through enough to form an opinion.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but won't this new system render Medicare useless?
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I don't know about useless, but it certainly dips into Medicare quite often throughout the bill.
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Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

For that matter, can anyone actually summarize exactly what this bill *does*?


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I suspect an elderly person requiring additional car can...buy private insurance? Use Medicare?

Or am I missing something else?

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How about this:  If medicare is so great, and not broke according to Alan Combs why not just cover everyone under that instead of this hugely-worded bill that nobody can summarize, much less understand?
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I'm not an old person so I am not positive, but I think that medicare is only a supplemental plan for certain things.

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Medicare is a primary insurance, but it's coverage is notoriously limited. Most people use replacement policies that carry a copay or deductible, but are accepted more places and cover a high percentage than Medicare does.
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Understand that elderly care is quite differant than warehousing them in approved 'care' centers.

Every insurance policy had restrictions of some kind, as will this new fiasco. Problem is they have not assembled the system and determined what restrictions will apply. I already know the potential restrictions that will be placed on 'service connected' disabilities through the Veterans Administration Medical System, already recieves the letter outlining the policy as the VA understand it. And of course we are dealing with inter-agency federal bravo sierra.

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Originally posted by StormyKnight StormyKnight wrote:

How about this:  If medicare is so great, and not broke according to Alan Combs why not just cover everyone under that instead of this hugely-worded bill that nobody can summarize, much less understand?
 
Because the Democrats are being wimps.  Some version of expanded Medicare is very much what many people would like.
 
Of course, Medicare still needs some fixing...
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