$15,000 0r go directly to Jail

carl_the_sniper wrote: tallen702 wrote: According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016. So, it'd be $15k for a FAMILY without any grouping. This means that it would be the worst possible scenario which isn't likely to happen. Nowhere in your link does it state what constitutes a family plan or how grouping works OS. Talk about spin...

Hey, this is the no spin zone. Everything else is spin but this.

Problem is in the language of the bill there is no true Table of Organization, or any Tables of Costs. All the language basically addresses id thdesire to 'reform' the way health care is administered. A very open ended word, 'reform' now subject ot the whims and desires of Congress (Democrats to be specific) to tie a 'benifit' to an voter base. Before the Medicare Seniors were a powerfull voting bloc, so Medicare was off limits. Now with the Gen X crowd forming a larger and more powerfull voting block, the seniors were thrown under the bus and the sacred cow Medicare was sacrificed (see funding cut)for this new fiasco.

I have read the entire bill 1990 pages, and nowhere can specific language be found designating actual spending. The penalty for non-compliance is well out lined, but compliance to what is a question the bill does not answer.

So as this beast morphs as it goes through the Senate, and then back to the House for final vote, I am interested if the General Public will ever actually see a true Table of Organization, and or a Tabled Accounting of Funding and Outlay.

But Yea, Rah Rah it did Pass, but what actually passed.

Edited by oldsoldier - 08 November 2009 at 11:06pm

Here it is, read on. A lot of big word and numbers so expect a TL/DR from the majority here.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21803801/H-R-3962-Affordable-Health-Care-for-America-Act-as-Introduced

Edited by oldsoldier - 08 November 2009 at 11:17pm

There's actually quite a bit in there that sets up new structures for the evaluation of nursing homes and skilled nursing facilities.

I don't know about useless, but it certainly dips into Medicare quite often throughout the bill.

I suspect an elderly person requiring additional car can...buy private insurance? Use Medicare?

Or am I missing something else?

I'm not an old person so I am not positive, but I think that medicare is only a supplemental plan for certain things.

Understand that elderly care is quite differant than warehousing them in approved 'care' centers.

Every insurance policy had restrictions of some kind, as will this new fiasco. Problem is they have not assembled the system and determined what restrictions will apply. I already know the potential restrictions that will be placed on 'service connected' disabilities through the Veterans Administration Medical System, already recieves the letter outlining the policy as the VA understand it. And of course we are dealing with inter-agency federal bravo sierra.

Edited by oldsoldier - 09 November 2009 at 9:24am