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2 things need to be known before anyone can make any judgment on the video:

1) What led up to the situation that the tape shows (because it's obvious that the lawyer did what he could to make it seem unprovoked)

2) The departments policy on Taser use, and their use of force continuum.



Before that info is available, I will not make a view for or against what happened, and neither should anyone else.




But alas, any attempt at a logical view will be thrashed by the cop-haters that are ever present on this forum who view anything other than a cop giving out roses as police brutality.

Edited by Linus - 07 November 2009 at 12:23am

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Using a Taser on a subdued suspect who is posing no threat is not warranted.  The man was just standing there against the car.
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Show me the whole video, and show me the departments use of force policy regarding the Taser. Until then, you are unqualified at stating what is and is not warranted under their polices.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jmac3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 November 2009 at 12:46am
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:






But alas, any attempt at a logical view will be thrashed by the cop-lovers that are ever present on this forum who view anything other than a cop murdering someone as police policy.


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Who is to say that he was actually shocked when the cop put it on this neck in the first place? He might have just had it there as a precaution, and then the suspect freaked out?

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Originally posted by Monk Monk wrote:

Who is to say that he was actually shocked when the cop put it on this neck in the first place? He might have just had it there as a precaution, and then the suspect freaked out?
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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

2 things need to be known before anyone can make any judgment on the video:

1) What led up to the situation that the tape shows (because it's obvious that the lawyer did what he could to make it seem unprovoked)

2) The departments policy on Taser use, and their use of force continuum.



Before that info is available, I will not make a view for or against what happened, and neither should anyone else.




But alas, any attempt at a logical view will be thrashed by the cop-haters that are ever present on this forum who view anything other than a cop giving out roses as police brutality.


Could you give an example of a scenario that would warrant the cop tasing him while his hands were on the car?

And is there a police department that lets you taze people when they aren't being resistant?


The way the cop just strolled up with his tazer ready and did it so casually gives it away. I'll bet anything the guy was running his mouth and the cop just got pissed.


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Originally posted by __sneaky__ __sneaky__ wrote:

Originally posted by Monk Monk wrote:

Who is to say that he was actually shocked when the cop put it on this neck in the first place? He might have just had it there as a precaution, and then the suspect freaked out?
Are you serious?


Do you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it didnt go down like this?
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Originally posted by Monk Monk wrote:

Originally posted by __sneaky__ __sneaky__ wrote:

Originally posted by Monk Monk wrote:

Who is to say that he was actually shocked when the cop put it on this neck in the first place? He might have just had it there as a precaution, and then the suspect freaked out?
Are you serious?


Do you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it didnt go down like this?
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I've had grown men cry when I pull out an IV needle... having not even touched them yet. His theory isn't impossible :)

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Originally posted by Flurry Flurry wrote:

There is such a thing as non-violent resistance.  Sitting or standing and not fighting, pulling, or running.  Protesters do this.  There are times where pain complience is required to detain a suspect.  Without knowing what was going on prior to this vid. it all looks very bad.  There are SOME bad cops out there that would do things like how this looks...NOT ALL COPS!
Tazers reduce injuries to both suspects and officers.  To the best of my knowlege there has not been 1 case of death that was 100% tazer caused.  There has always been a medical, drug, or some other issue.  If you have heart issues maybe you shouldn't try to hit a cap with a hammer or cause other peoblems that will get you thrown in jail. 
 


Yea, except the 8th amendment means you can't just taze someone because it's the easy thing to do, and they probably won't get hurt...even though it apparently hurts a lot.

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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:


Also, fun fact - Taser is a brand name, like Kleenex or Band-Aid. Also, there is no verb form of the word because of it being a brand name. You can say that someone was shocked by a Taser, but someone cannot be "tazed." 


See: googled

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Yea! for out of context videoclips......

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TO: JMAC3,  You are correct in most people's thinking.  I wouldn't hit someone with the Taser if they were just standing there like that. 
TO: Frozenballs, I dind't say that it could be used because it was easy.  I was just saying that there is less of a chance of an injury such as a broken bone, or a bullet wound.  IF...IF a shot is justified.  There is a use of force scale that is followed by LE  There have been many lives saved by the Tazer.
There are department policies that tell us when tazers / Pepper Spray / ANY use of force can be used.
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I don't think the Cop went Far Enough...
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Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

Using a Taser on a subdued suspect who is posing no threat is not warranted.  The man was just standing there against the car.
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All of you saying that we can't say if it was justified or not because we don't know what happened prior to the incident, what could have possibly happened prior to what we see that would warrant that action?
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Doesn't matter, we still don't know what happened.
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Originally posted by Rofl_Mao Rofl_Mao wrote:

Doesn't matter, we still don't know what happened.
No, you are wrong. As usuall. The man was standing there hands on the car, putting up no resistance. The cop walked up perfectly at ease, and then tased the man. You don't do that. If he was resisting arrest, sure, if he was fighting back, sure. If he was'nt being cooperative, sure, why not. But the man was standing there, hands on the car. What kind of situation could possibly warrent that? Give me an example.
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