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Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


Don't let the facts get in the way of your statement...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/27820.html


If I did my math correctly, 47 percent is still a higher percentage than 45 percent.
 
 
yes, and
 
"While the number of pro-life Americans rose to 51 percent in 2009".
 
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Even if those numbers are accurate, I'd still say 47% saying it should be legal is more than 45% saying it should be illegal.

You may occasionally bring up some facts, but as usual they contradict the point you're trying to make. So don't let your own facts get in the way of your statement...
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Hahahaha, here to help. You mean here to press your opinions on others because you're not okay with abortions. Why should other peoples lives be significantly worse because you say so. It's their choice, not yours. Just like even if it were legal, it's STILL your choice to not do it.

Withholding abortions from others is foolish, and childish. You already (should) know that the legality of something wont change whether it happens or not. It just changes how safe it is.
 
 
What is the difference between me saying I don't like you, therefore I am going to stick a knife into your head and suck out your brain.
 
And Abortion?...
 
Both take a life, but one is legal.  It is immoral, and kills a baby, and is infanticide and if you look at the stats you will see that it has erased a "certain" part of our society...
 
Glad to see you support eliminating minorites, guess you don't have a problem with that...
 
I don't see that as an option, adoption comes to mind.
 
 
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 
 
What is the difference between me saying I don't like you, therefore I am going to stick a knife into your head and suck out your brain.

the difference is, he is actually alive.
 
And Abortion?...
 
Both take a life, but one is legal.  It is immoral, and kills a baby, and is infanticide and if you look at the stats you will see that it has erased a "certain" part of our society...

you cant kill something that is not alive to begin with. so if i go out into the street and stick my knife into roadkill, i guess i am committing cruelty to animals
 
Glad to see you support eliminating minorites, guess you don't have a problem with that...
 
I don't see that as an option, adoption comes to mind.

what about the mother who has been told she is unable to survive childbirth? she is supposed to give her life up just so the baby can be put up for adoption? no...
 
 
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FE, you still have not shown me where in sec 213 it mentions abortion.
 
 
Hmm, the "open congress" site crashed... Thats strange.
 
You can link to it on this site.
 
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You failed to mention that "62 percent — said that the Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade decision was “a good thing.”"

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Crap I was wrong and you were right... Again... Man, it sucks when someone proves me wrong. I hate that and will continue calling you names, and trying to discredit you instead of just saying. "Whoops my bad."
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

I was looking more for a response PP post that you already pay for abortions as an taxpayer of Ohio and your justification for paying for executions. If killing is killing, why is some killing better than others?
 
 
Well, there is a big difference between killing a innocent baby and a convicted killer.
 
I don't think abortion should be legal as the baby did nothing to deserve to die.


Ok, Mr. Touchedbychrist, whatever happened to "he who is without sin cast the first stone."?  Also, if our government can't be trusted to run health care  properly, how can they be trusted to determine someone's guilt?

Instead of listening to an obviously biased website that is misquoting and misinterpreting the bill to do your thinking for you like usual, show me where, in section 213 that I posted on page one, abortion is mentioned.


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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 
So, here we have Obama in his own words stating that Abortion, and "death panels" are not in Obamacare...
 
 
I heard him say "nothing will change" as to abortion (1:25).  I think that is still pretty accurate, as far as I know.
 

"E Pluribus Unum" does not mean "Every man for himself".

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Originally posted by Eville Eville wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

I was looking more for a response PP post that you already pay for abortions as an taxpayer of Ohio and your justification for paying for executions. If killing is killing, why is some killing better than others?
 
 
Well, there is a big difference between killing a innocent baby and a convicted killer.
 
I don't think abortion should be legal as the baby did nothing to deserve to die.


Ok, Mr. Touchedbychrist, whatever happened to "he who is without sin cast the first stone."?  Also, if our government can't be trusted to run health care  properly, how can they be trusted to determine someone's guilt?
 
 
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Originally posted by Eville Eville wrote:

... if our government can't be trusted to run health care  properly, how can they be trusted to determine someone's guilt?
 
I see what you did there...

"E Pluribus Unum" does not mean "Every man for himself".

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Also according to your politico article "The nationwide telephone survey of 4,013 adults was conducted Aug. 11-27 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 2 percentage points."

That is an awfully small sample size for a population of 300 million people.


Also the poll found that 47 percent thought abortions should remain legal while only 42 percent said it should not remain legal.

While 51 percent of those polled said they were pro-life, some of them must have still thought abortions should remain legal despite their beliefs.

Therefore those that think abortions should remain legal are still in the majority and those that think abortions should be illegal are in the minority.

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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

strawman
 
Strawman?
 
I am not sure you know what that term means in this context.  There may be many flaws to his argument, but being a strawman is not one of them.
 
 

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So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. John 8:7
 
Eville, even the bible could'nt decide which way they wanted to go on the whole, we humans getting to punish criminals thing.
 
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by Eville Eville wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

I was looking more for a response PP post that you already pay for abortions as an taxpayer of Ohio and your justification for paying for executions. If killing is killing, why is some killing better than others?
 
 
Well, there is a big difference between killing a innocent baby and a convicted killer.
 
I don't think abortion should be legal as the baby did nothing to deserve to die.


Ok, Mr. Touchedbychrist, whatever happened to "he who is without sin cast the first stone."?  Also, if our government can't be trusted to run health care  properly, how can they be trusted to determine someone's guilt?
 
 
strawman


How is this a strawman?  You are a "Christian".  "Christians" are supposed to be "followers" "of" Christ.  Christ was against "killing", even "executions." Yet, "you" support "executions".
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Originally posted by Eville Eville wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by Eville Eville wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

I was looking more for a response PP post that you already pay for abortions as an taxpayer of Ohio and your justification for paying for executions. If killing is killing, why is some killing better than others?
 
 
Well, there is a big difference between killing a innocent baby and a convicted killer.
 
I don't think abortion should be legal as the baby did nothing to deserve to die.


Ok, Mr. Touchedbychrist, whatever happened to "he who is without sin cast the first stone."?  Also, if our government can't be trusted to run health care  properly, how can they be trusted to determine someone's guilt?
 
 
strawman


How is this a strawman?  You are a "Christian".  "Christians" are supposed to be "followers" "of" Christ.  Christ was against "killing", even "executions." Yet, "you" support "executions".
A straw man is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic.
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Yeah, that isn't what a straw man is.   also, you ignored my other part of that post that was on topic.
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Hahahaha, here to help. You mean here to press your opinions on others because you're not okay with abortions. Why should other peoples lives be significantly worse because you say so. It's their choice, not yours. Just like even if it were legal, it's STILL your choice to not do it.

Withholding abortions from others is foolish, and childish. You already (should) know that the legality of something wont change whether it happens or not. It just changes how safe it is.
 
 
What is the difference between me saying I don't like you, therefore I am going to stick a knife into your head and suck out your brain.
 
And Abortion?...
 
Both take a life, but one is legal.  It is immoral, and kills a baby, and is infanticide and if you look at the stats you will see that it has erased a "certain" part of our society...
 
Glad to see you support eliminating minorites, guess you don't have a problem with that...
 
I don't see that as an option, adoption comes to mind.
 
 
After I spent a decade involved with the foster system in America, we can barely get even half the people we need to take kids for a couple of weeks, let alone adopt them all.
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Yeah, we are back to changing the definitions of words again.

 
Boy this is fun.
 
Any more straw man arguments you guys want to throw out there?
 
 
 


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