$78,000,000.00 of your money, smashed in the moon.

 

I rarely hear "educated" people called elitists, I hear people who think their bachelor's affords them the ability to dictate the definate standard of right and wrong contradicted. Elitism is incredibly prevalent on both sides of the debate, be it based on education, or moral beliefs / the lack thereof. There are plenty of people even on this forum that feel as soon as the issue involves the word God it becomes null and void, because duh, only morons have imaginary friends. And there are those on here that feel that the Bible somehow nulls out anything that disagrees with it. It's all equal.

 

And stem-cells =/= intelligence. It's not a black and white issue, there are nay sayers on both sides of the fence. There are very educated people for and against it. Myself I'm neutral, I see no moral wrong in it, and don't know enough about it scientifically to make a judgement. But that doesn't mean that there aren't both pros and cons, it just means I'm big enough to admit I'm not the final verdict.

 

The "anti-intelligence" movement has people on both sides. There are plenty of liberals who make little to no sense, and support ridiculous ideas. But I'll rename your movement for clarification-it's called the "partisan politics" movement. It's defending or condemning a party instead of the issue, and that is the very epitome of anti-intelligent. It's saying "well that's counter-productive, it must be a conservative idea", or that's the media, so it must be liberal. This crap has got to stop at some point, it's pushed to the point of silliness.

 

I'm not singling out your post, and I'm not throwing out any of these accusations at you necessarily, it's just this whole trend is making me crazy. Its honestly making me want to not care about politics.

 

That's like saying I don't like a camaro so therefore I hate cars.

 

Creationism is a legitimate, even if far fetched in scientific, theory.

 

Oh and just an FYI, creationists can believe in evolution. Creationism simply states a Higher Power set things in motion, doesn't necessarily dictate what god or how it was done. So again, you can't generalize Creationists either, as that's a pretty broad blanket.

 

But then again, I don't want to take this thread into that debate :P.

No, creationism is NOT a scientific theory.  They have not tested their theories by scientific means.  They have not used the scientific method.  Their proof is the Bible and the Bible does not constitute a scientific document.

And no.  "Creationists" are those that think God created the world 6000 years ago.  That dinosaurs roamed with man.  That the Great Flood mixed up all the fossils in the geologic column to give an appearance of age.  One can not believe that we were put here in the advanced state we are in now, 6000 years ago and evolution (at least macroevolution) at the same time.

Where does this perspective come from that religion and science are rivals, or that one cannot be an intellectual and be a <religious affiliation here>?

Thats like saying a porcupine is competing with your blender.

Science is the study of the physical world around us.  Its testable, quantifiable, and based upon physical evidence.  Religion is philosophy, the study of the metaphysical world.  It cannot be proven or tested. The two have nothing to do with each other.  They only conflict when people try to explain ethics with science or the history of life with a book.  

I do agree to an extent with Whale, however.  As of late the Right seems to have sadly decided it needs to reject intellectualism, or at least only let that side of its body talk.

Conservatives have stopped ALL stem-cell research?

Somewhere, some engineer in NASA is feeling really dumb right now