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We KILL them so they don't get in our way and possibly hurt us.

SOUNDS LOGICAL
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Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

We KILL them so they don't get in our way and possibly hurt us.

SOUNDS LOGICAL


Kudos on twisting a piece of what I said to make your point then ignoring the rest. Its mildly annoying, but I have time to try again.

1. We thin their numbers to protect them from starvation and malnutrition brought on by human factors as well as natural ones.

2. By eliminating excessive population there are positive effects on humans, such as limiting encroachment of wildlife into residential areas- which could be potentially harmful, to people, as well as the animals themselves. Are these results the REASON we hunt? No, but you can't argue with the results.

How does that escape you? Are you really going to pretend that there is no conceivable way that you could have been mistaken in your 'hunting is useless' claim? If that's the case, then let me know so I can facepalm now and be done with it.








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I think hes inferring that deer should have more of a right to live than humans.
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Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

We KILL them so they don't get in our way and possibly hurt us.

SOUNDS LOGICAL


Kudos on twisting a piece of what I said to make your point then ignoring the rest. Its mildly annoying, but I have time to try again.

1. We thin their numbers to protect them from starvation and malnutrition brought on by human factors as well as natural ones.

Do we thin our numbers to protect us from starvation and malnutrition?

2. By eliminating excessive population there are positive effects on humans, such as limiting encroachment of wildlife into residential areas- which could be potentially harmful, to people, as well as the animals themselves. Are these results the REASON we hunt? No, but you can't argue with the results.

No I can't argue with results. They are not the reason therefore hunting is useless. Thank you.

How does that escape you? Are you really going to pretend that there is no conceivable way that you could have been mistaken in your 'hunting is useless' claim? If that's the case, then let me know so I can facepalm now and be done with it.

Go ahead facepalm.





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Originally posted by Rofl_Mao Rofl_Mao wrote:

I think hes inferring that deer should have more of a right to live than humans.


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Think about that for a second Jmac.  How would we hurt them without hunting them?  With our cars.  spend less than a dollar on a bullet to kill it, or spend thousands of dollars in auto repairs and health costs to kill it.  How is that not logical?
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Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

We KILL them so they don't get in our way and possibly hurt us.

SOUNDS LOGICAL


Kudos on twisting a piece of what I said to make your point then ignoring the rest. Its mildly annoying, but I have time to try again.

1. We thin their numbers to protect them from starvation and malnutrition brought on by human factors as well as natural ones.

Do we thin our numbers to protect us from starvation and malnutrition?

You skipped the section where I mentioned donating the meat to less fortunate families didn't you?
Its becoming a pretty common practice.

2. By eliminating excessive population there are positive effects on humans, such as limiting encroachment of wildlife into residential areas- which could be potentially harmful, to people, as well as the animals themselves. Are these results the REASON we hunt? No, but you can't argue with the results.

No I can't argue with results. They are not the reason therefore hunting is useless. Thank you.

Actually, if anything, this proved that hunting has more uses than the initial "gather food" which has become largely obsolete as a necessity since the introduction of industrialized food production. More uses than we originally thought.

How does that escape you? Are you really going to pretend that there is no conceivable way that you could have been mistaken in your 'hunting is useless' claim? If that's the case, then let me know so I can facepalm now and be done with it.

Go ahead facepalm.

I did. Thank you.




Like it or not, you are mistaken this time.



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You can buy 5 cans of food for a dollar.

Donate that it is cheaper and lasts longer. Places that take donations would prefer stuff that isn't fresh.


Eville, what are you talking about?
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Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

You can buy 5 cans of food for a dollar.

Donate that it is cheaper and lasts longer. Places that take donations would prefer stuff that isn't fresh.



Ever been to a soup kitchen or seen one of those food pantries that will offer meals for people around the holidays? They make do with, and are pretty darn happy to get fresh meat. Every year, thousands of turkeys harvested during hunting season are donated for people who cannot afford to buy such things for holiday dinners. You can't even pretend to tell me that those people would rather a can of Hormel chili over fresh meat.





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Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

You can buy 5 cans of food for a dollar.

Donate that it is cheaper and lasts longer. Places that take donations would prefer stuff that isn't fresh.


Eville, what are you talking about?
Do you have any idea how much food you get out of a deer? 5 cans of food is nothing.
 
And no, we don't thin our own numbers as humans. Deer arn't humans. Plus, if we did, natural selection tells us you wouldn't be here to argue with us anymore.
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I'll just leave this here.
http://www.venisondonation.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=frontpage&Itemid=1



     "Since 1999, the Venison Donation Coalition has been highly successful in its goal to feed the hungry throughout New York State. They have processed 337.51 tons of highly nutritious venison or the equivalent of 2,700,800 meals served. In order for this program to continue and flourish, the Venison Donation Coalition is seeking financial donations."

Yeah, hunting is useless alright....that's 2.7 million meals that wouldn't have been had by people who needed them.




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Sometimes I wish humans WERE population controlled...
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Deer and other animals have no way of developing new technologies to harvest their own food. There's no deer norman bourlough running around. This means they have a a set number that can be sustained by their current food supply. It's better to maintain the species by keeping a sustainable population than to let hem kill themselves.
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Sometimes I wish humans WERE population controlled...


Also, jmac = dirty hippy.

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Originally posted by DeTrevni DeTrevni wrote:

Sometimes I wish humans WERE population controlled...
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Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

You can buy 5 cans of food for a dollar.

Donate that it is cheaper and lasts longer. Places that take donations would prefer stuff that isn't fresh.


Eville, what are you talking about?


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Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

We KILL them so they don't get in our way and possibly hurt us.

SOUNDS LOGICAL

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Just to throw in the fact that not evertime you hit a deer with a car it dies within a reasonably humane time. Sometimes they break legs and run off only to die a few weeks later from starvation or by a cougar( I picked cougar cause it sounded neat). Either way, very painful.
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You guys are also forgetting that hunting is a great recreational industry that has flourished reguardless of our crappy economy. Tons of people would lose their jobs if we didn't have a need for rifles and hunting equipment. Banning hunting is the last thing we need.
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I'm pro-hunting, but I like playing devil's advocate.

That said, that (^^^) is not a very good argument. Not every hunter hits the vital spots and drops the deer. Sometimes they bleed out. It's not always fast. Also, bow hunting.
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I realize that, but it just seemed that everyone had forgotten that point.
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Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

We KILL them so they don't get in our way and possibly hurt us.

SOUNDS LOGICAL


Just out of curiosity, what is your alternative solution to preventing the urban encroachment, starvation and disease issues that result from deer overpopulation?
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