Happy Birthday Obama!

StormyKnight wrote: FreeEnterprise wrote: Bunkered wrote: FreeEnterprise: YOUR guys went into two wars, without asking the American people to sacrifice anything.     Actually "my" guys went into iraq, to save the people from a dictator that was ruining their country and torturing the people, while being a haven for terrorists. Wrong.  Bush started hostilities against Iraq because he believed that there were still WMDs in the country.  He didn't go in to liberate Iraq.  There were no terrorists in Iraq before our invasion.  Funny how many are there now since the invasion.  Coincidence?  I think not.     I could argue this as before we went into Iraq, the Congress voted, which is both democrats and republicans... Those same congressmen and women also believed there were WMD's there, as represented by their votes. But, you don't want logic, you just want a cause.   FreeEnterprise wrote: Obama promised to get us out of Iraq... And yet, we are still there, Do you have any idea how long it will take us to get out of there?  That country is far from stable thanks to Bush and it will be years before it will be able to stand on it's own without our presence.    So you are OK with us being there in a war zone? I thought war was bad? Obama promised to get us out of Iraq in the first year if elected... He said it would be the first thing he would do as President?     Where is your outrage?   FreeEnterprise wrote: and now he has moved us into afghanistan as well. Newsflash:  We were in Afghanistan before we went into Iraq.     Yes, but he is the one who put in MAJOR troops, and lowered expectations... Are you supportive of this war because Obama is pushing it? Are there WMD's there?     [QUOTE=FreeEnterprise]One thing you have to realize, taxes will always go up, liberals are NEVER satisfied with what they have spent and always need more and more and more and more. (at least not in my lifetime, or any history I have read). So this spending will never allow them to "get out of the hole". For example if right now we pay 50% in tax (all taxes, property, gas tax, food tax, income tax ect.) When they raise it to pay the debt they would have to raise it to near 80% to pay for what has been spent by this administration... And we haven't "fixed" healthcare, or passed the energy tax bill... One thing you need to realize.  Both the Left and the Right spend spend spend.  The only difference is, the Dems at least tax before they spend.  The GOP cuts taxes but spends anyway.  How does that make sense?  Thats like quitting your job and living off your credit card.  You keep spending, but you never make a payment because you have no revenue.   Really? You better look at your facts again. Check out this guy named Carter and the tax rates during his Presidency, then look at this guy named Reagan, and what he did with taxes. Then consider just how much Obama has spent in 6 months... It is staggering, especially while he promises not to raise taxes on those making less than $270,000, wait $250,000, no $220,000 I mean $170,000 a year. You know the rich. The people that smoke in the country... That smoking tax wasn't for the poor...   Currently, the republican party has lost its message of fiscal responsibility. And they have paid dearly for that loss. Look at who is in power for proof of that. Sadly you don't even realize that Obama made himself out to be like Reagan with his speeches, but he has been anything but... He promised just the other day to focus on helping main street, all the small businesses and consumers that have been devestated by this depression. But, so far it is just words. Which I guess a lot of people like yourself blindly follow expecting nothing...   Here he is in his words 10 months ago... Main street is still waiting...

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jmac3 wrote: FE, when are you going to realize that taxing cigarettes has NOTHING to do with what was campaigned about not raising taxes?

Where do cigarettes fall in income, payroll, or capital gains?

Maybe if they replay that one sentence of his speech again their stupidity will make sense.

jmac3 wrote: Where do cigarettes fall in income, payroll, or capital gains? Maybe if they replay that one sentence of his speech again their stupidity will make sense.

FE, he didn't raise my taxes by taxing cigarettes more. Did he raise yours?

He raised taxes on cigarettes, the cigarette companies raised the prices of their packs.


Edited by jmac3 - 07 August 2009 at 12:01pm

evillepaintball wrote: He was clearly talking about income based taxes.  If you think anything els, you are just proving what we all already know.

Cap and Trade is not a tax.

EDIT:

FE wrote: if health care passes, you will pay more in taxes...

OMG YOU BLEW MY MIND WITH INFORMATION EVERYBODY KNOWS!


Edited by jmac3 - 07 August 2009 at 12:20pm

You know... Obama could be accurate when he says he won't raise taxes, no matter how much he spends...

FreeEnterprise wrote: If health care passes, you will pay more in taxes...

Edited by mbro - 07 August 2009 at 2:41pm