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    Posted: 20 July 2009 at 9:49pm
Got to love the VA Medical system. I am now enrolled in the VAMC in New York and today was my first appointment with my "new" perminant Primary Care Physician. After reviewing my meds precsribed by VAMC Lincoln, he stated flatly that these dossages will kill me. And why are they not addressing the root cause of my problem(s).

Now since I had the misconception that the VAMC's have some form of intercommunication (ie computers) I was amazed that I had to sign a "privacy" release for my records to be transfered from VAMC Lincoln to VAMC Albany and then down to my VA Clinic in Bainbridge (closer to Oneonta). So he could not review my records, only a written history compiled by myself and wife (just incase of a VA misplacement of records) and two sets of ears listening to the Doctors catch things I miss. Wife documented everything.

The Doctor here was amazed that my RSD was not connected to my service connected issues, and now I have to re-enter the realm of compensation and pension doctors who poke and prod and try thier best to ensure that your service connected disabilities can be blamed on something else, hense no increase of compensation, and attempt to deny treatment, I am over 70% service connected so non treatment is not an issue here.

Now I have to wait for my "new" prescriptions, my new appointment with VAMC's Pain Clinic, and my records to show from Nebraska so we can continue this exercise.

BTW I am no longer "healthy" enough to continue "voc-rehab" due to clotting issues as well as RSD. And I can no longer work, again due to the above as established now by VAMC Lincoln, And now VAMC Albany. So I am confused, I am no longer able to attend school or work based on a medical condition connected to military service, confirmed by two seperate VAMC's, yet do not qualify for VA Individual Unemployability, or a 100% disabilty compensation rating? Got to love government beauracracy.

And this is shades of things to come for Americans if the government gets total control of your healthcare.
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So, if this VA health care is so terrible and inefficient, why don't you purchase your own insurance plan with an outside provider. 
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I also have medical benifits through the wifes purchased plan from work, and balance the two, also have AARP Health Benifits I pay for.

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You complain of government bureaucracies, and others complain of privatized bureaucracies.

At least YOU aren't paying for this, unlike many other people.
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

I also have medical benifits through the wifes purchased plan from work, and balance the two, also have AARP Health Benifits I pay for.
 
Whale asked an amazingly insightful-yet-obvious question (kicking myself for not thinking of that), and your answer only raises the stakes further:  So you have access to both private and public healthcare - why do you go to the VA, instead of the doctor down the street?
 
Not only do you profess to hate what you call "socialized medicine," but the VA is perhaps the worst healthcare system in the country.
 
Now I am really curious.
 

"E Pluribus Unum" does not mean "Every man for himself".

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OK to make this simple, In order to get a disability rating based on my service connected injuries I am required to use the VAMC's. I use public health care for the simple health issues. But since my combat related injuries have resulted in complications is my overall medical conditions I must stay within the VAMC systems in order to document the changes in my medical conditions. Many people in the VAMC system also must pay co-pays and have additional insurance coverage, but since my injuries and resulting complications have given me a rating of 70% or better I have 100% medical coverage.
My disabilty compensation is directly linked to VA medical care, so in order to maintain some income since I am not able to work I am tied to the VA medical system. Multiple TIA's, a mini stroke, and further blood clotting issues make me one blood clot away from the big check out, and I do use both VA and private medical systems to monitor my health. I like living and am covering all the bases. It is just the VA medical and VA compensation people do not seem to have the ability to communicate, am I medically inable to work and entitled to a higher compensation for my service connected injuries, or am I able to work without any major health issues arising. College's and employers get really upset when you pass out in class or on the job, have done both.
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Soooo... basically, you use the VA system because you don't have to make copays? And because switching between systems causes coverage difficulties?


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Once again, my VA service connected compensation is directly linked to the VA medical system. For major issues I use the VA, for simple issues I use private and pay the co-pays. I payed "premiums" for 23 years for the VA medical system. I recieve service connected compensation for my injuries based on VA medical exams and diagnosis, private Doctors can not "rate" my injuries for compensation purposes. Which for the WW2/Korea generation was excellant, for the VN and post VN generations the target of budget cuts and a political football. Tri-care and VA Champs is a fiscal and care joke, and there are only @2.5M of us are enrolled.

You are a lawyer...right....simple process, VA=Compensation Rating, Private=Standard/routine care.
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Aha.  I misread your earlier post.  Let me try again:  you use the VA for select treatment because it is required to maintain your current level of disability/pension payments?


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Yes, if I had the choice would use private care. Part of getting old, when the warreties expire due to excessive use in the service, and care is needed to expand comp/pension you are stuck with the VA.

I can see a co-operative effort between any government health care system and Social Security medical benifits/compensation, as well as senior care coverage after employment simular to what the VA puts veterans through. Nature of the Government beast.
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Ok.  So you are upset because one of your government benefits is requireing you to use another government benefit?



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No, I am upset at the inefficiency of the same government agengy unable to communicate within two departments, the medical side and the compensation side. Each has a level of bearuacray and established little fiefdoms, where the government employees can not comprehend nor care to, use basic comman sense in order to solve a simple issue of connecting cause and effect. And there are people out there that believe that the government can develope a universal health care plan that will not become another monster of beauracracy and inefficiency.
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

And there are people out there that believe that the government can develope a universal health care plan that will not become another monster of beauracracy and inefficiency.
 
So, you are saying that the French, the English, the Scandinavians, the Dutch, the Belgians, and even the Canadians - their governments are so superior to our that they can manage this but we cannot?
 
How about some of that American "can do?"  Surely our government is good at something other than blowing stuff up?
 

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So isn't your thread kind of an argument for healthcare reform then?
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Thw words any American dreeds: "We are from the government, and we are here to help." From the temporary Social Security system, that has turned into a monster, to and direct compitition with the private sector, inefficiency is a American government trait. The largest employer is the Government, so temporary programs never dissappear as intended, they just become larger, and the employees more intrenched.
Governmental interference into the private sector is totally against the basic tennants of the US Constitution. And when the government employee can exempt him/herself from the programs they mandate on the public sector, that is when you need to become most watchfull.

ie, Congress voting to excempt themselves from any medical program they mandate for the general populace.
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is your wife employed by a NY state company?  If so, how does she like Schumer's tax on health care to pay for NY states deficit.
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No, she is still employed by the City of Lincoln, NE. Not due here till spring. As for the Shumer tax, just another taxable item on your "income" or benifits. So you can pay for your "free" healthcare multiple times, what a concept. If NY, CA and other "welfare" states would stop giving away the farm to the undeserving, and perpetuating the "dependancy on government" increased taxes on the working would potentually go down, but its the government, taxes once implimented, never go away. IE the income tax was "temporary" to fung the Union War effort, and was supposed to be gone after the Civil War, guess what.....the NYS Thruway tolls were supposed to stop being collected in 1973 when the Thruway was paid for, guess what.....the government will never turn off a tap once they open it.

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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Thw words any American dreeds: "We are from the government, and we are here to help."
 
Yep.  I sure hate it when the police or the firefighters come to help me.  Darned socialists.
 
I also hate it when government builds roads for me, educates my kids, kills pirates, or provides a system for resolving disputes.  Commie bastards.
 
 
Quote From the temporary Social Security system, that has turned into a monster, to and direct compitition with the private sector, inefficiency is a American government trait.
 
Social security competes with the private sector?  But in any event, SSA is actually quite efficient.  Very low administrative costs.  SSA's problems have nothing to do with inefficiency, but everything to do with demographics.
 
It is possible that a private group could run SSA more efficiently - but frankly that is a strictly theoretical question.  Most/all of the SSA privatization efforts would not just take SSA private, but fundamentally change the nature of SSA, so you get a bit of an apples and oranges issue.
 
But again with the "American" government trait.  Are you contending that the French are better at running government programs than we are?
 
If so, should we just hire the French to run our socialized medicine?
 
 
Quote The largest employer is the Government, so temporary programs never dissappear as intended, they just become larger, and the employees more intrenched.
 
Another classic.
 
Reality is that government programs are cancelled all the time.  Federal employment (excluding military and postal) has remained pretty level since the late 70s, despite increased population.  And relative to population, federal civilian employment has been on a steady downward trend since WWII.
 
Reality does not match the hype.

 
Quote Governmental interference into the private sector is totally against the basic tennants of the US Constitution.
 
Really?  Where does it say that?
 
 
Quote  And when the government employee can exempt him/herself from the programs they mandate on the public sector, that is when you need to become most watchfull.

ie, Congress voting to excempt themselves from any medical program they mandate for the general populace.
 
You keep bringing this up, and I keep pointing out that Congressmen have the same healthplan as the mailman.  Where are you getting this?
 
 
Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

[My wife] is still employed by the City of Lincoln, NE.
 
I have to say, OS, for a guy who rails against public healthcare you sure are enjoying a lot of public healthcare.  What I don't see you doing a lot of is paying premiums for private healthcare. 
 
In fact, as I have said before, for a guy who complains about the government so much, you have sure not gone out of your way to avoid the government.  You worked for the government most of your life.  Your wife works for the government.  Heck, your dad even worked for the government.  And you receive health care, disability care, retirement benefits, presumably some educational benefits, and more - all from the government you claim to disdain. 
 
Your actions do not align with your words.
 

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