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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FreeEnterprise Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 July 2009 at 11:32am
Oh, ok... My bad... As I can't read your "facial" expressions it is hard to follow your intent at times.
 
 
Cap and trade is the current name used to debate the current bill in the house and senate. That is where the name comes from.
 
Here are a few of my arguments in a link so I don't have to retype...
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mack Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 July 2009 at 11:31am
Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

I would be glad to debate you on this, but since you can't keep from besmirching my character at every opportunity, I choose not to.
 
Unless you wish to apologize, and then we can move on...

Oh please point out where he has done this. I'd really like to see it.

Peter attacking someone's character is the last thing I expect to see when I read his posts.


Really, he did it to me.

Oh, wait . . . I think he called me a character.

No, that was someone else . . .

. . . that called some other person a character.

So . . . never mind.

Seriously, while Peter and I disagree on a lot (mainly because of differences such as he's liberal and I'm more conservative or he's wrong and I'm right) I have never seen him result to a personal attack.  Heck, I haven't even seen him get testy more than a couple of times; which is quite a feat on here.  The "wife beating" comment posted above was merely an attempt at a humorous example to make a point.*




*I'm funnier also.
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Parker Peter Parker wrote:

Did you stop beating your wife before or after you embezzled the company?




Yeah. Wow. That was an analogy. It's a comparative literary device.

Unless you actually have been beating your wife or embezzling money, then it would make sense. Otherwise, it makes as much literal sense as me saying "You run around like a chicken with its head cut off."

I'm not actually saying that you are a chicken. Nor do I think you are decapitated.


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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Parker Peter Parker wrote:

Did you stop beating your wife before or after you embezzled the company?




Um, yeah.

"When did you stop beating your wife" is (literally) a textbook example used to illustrate an improper question.  My statement quoted above was a pretty obvious retort to your ridiculously loaded question in the prior post.

You are working pretty hard at it if you think that was a personal insult.

"E Pluribus Unum" does not mean "Every man for himself".

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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

I would be glad to debate you on this, but since you can't keep from besmirching my character at every opportunity, I choose not to.
 
Unless you wish to apologize, and then we can move on...

Oh please point out where he has done this. I'd really like to see it.

Peter attacking someone's character is the last thing I expect to see when I read his posts.

Edit- Swing and a miss, FE. You took his quote out of context and you didn't even understand it in the original thread.


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Originally posted by Peter Parker Peter Parker wrote:

Did you stop beating your wife before or after you embezzled the company?


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I'm going to post what PP said about cap and trade, with the hopes people understand that it is the truth.

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Actually, we have had cap and trade in place for years.  It is reflected in your electric bill.
 
Oh, you meant cap and trade for CO2 emissions?  Ah - I thought you meant cap and trade for SO2.  I was off by a letter.
 
No biggie - we all remember the devastating impacts on the economy when SO2 caps were instituted, right?  Right?  And we all remember the HUGE increases in our electric bills, right?  RIGHT?

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Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

Maybe you should figure out why China can do it for $7,400 and do it that way?


So you're suggesting that FE run his business with Chinese wages, benefits and environmental respect? 




Edit:  Dang it Peter, you snuck in there with a reply and I had to go back and edit in jmac's quote so my post would make sense.  I think you do this to me on purpose as part of the evil liberal plot. Big smile

Second edit:  Because it's "you're" not "your" and things like that bug me when I screw them up.


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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

I would be glad to debate you on this, but since you can't keep from besmirching my character at every opportunity, I choose not to.
 
Unless you wish to apologize, and then we can move on...


I besmirch your character?  When/how did I do that?




Edited by Peter Parker - 17 July 2009 at 11:12am

"E Pluribus Unum" does not mean "Every man for himself".

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Maybe you should figure out why China can do it for $7,400 and do it that way?

Cry moar. If people can get it cheaper they are going to, it isn't the governments fault.

I am not looking up anything right now, but I am pretty sure employers don't get penalized for not giving insurance to people. I am pretty sure you will just have to offer it. Also, the person without insurance gets the penalization.
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I would be glad to debate you on this, but since you can't keep from besmirching my character at every opportunity, I choose not to.
 
Unless you wish to apologize, and then we can move on...
 
As far as your argument...
 
Exactly how am I as a business owner going to pay for the added cost of cap and trade to my costs when I currently have a profit margin of less than 3%...
 
I can't "increase" my costs to my customers, as they are already going over to china now to buy their large printing projects...
 
Last week I quoted a large print job to a customer right down the street from me. My "normal" cost was $28,000.
 
I need the work, so I quoted it for $18,000.
 
My paper cost alone was $10,000.
 
 
China got the job delivered to Florida for $7,400...
 
 
So, explain how I can "afford" cap and trade which will significantly increase my materials cost, as well as my electric to produce it?
 
 
Next, health care. The plan on the table takes my employees who chose their partners health coverage (as it is better than what I can offer), and they HAVE to use my insurance unless I want to pay a penalty. Which increases my costs significantly. Not to mention lots of people CHOOSE not to have insurance... Now I and everyone else will be paying for those people as well.
 
You can't add this
 
 
 and get "cost reductions"...
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Yes, sometimes you have to spend to avoid bankruptcy.  Seems pretty obvious.


And didn't we already establish that cap and trade doesn't have to be an economic negative, and in fact should have tremendous benefits?  Likewise healthcare reform - reducing cost is a bad thing how?

I see a trend here:

1.  FE regurgitates some talking points.

2.  I rebut said talking points.

3.  Instead of responding, FE starts a new thread regurgitating same talking points as if nothing happened.




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Is this what they teach people now? No matter how bad it is, just spend more and you won't go bankrupt.

 
Nice lernin thar mr vice president... Its no wonder you "misread" how bad the economy was, logic like this is just unforgivable.
 
 
 
Wow, all you guys that voted for this dolt sure look dumb now... Hows unemployement treating you?
 
Oh, you still have a job... Wait until "cap and tax" and "obamacare" take effect...
 
Yup, Change for everyone. That $5.00 that slacker owes me just keeps being devalued by the day with this government being so fiscally irresponsible.
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