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FreeEnterprise
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Posted: 14 July 2009 at 1:08pm |
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Peter Parker
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Posted: 14 July 2009 at 1:30pm |
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I was going to respond line by line to this post, but when I got to this I realized I didn't have to.
Clue: anybody talking about how volcanos put out this vast amount of CO2, or otherwise causes this amazing amount of environmental impact, is either (a) intentionally lying, (b) intentionally avoid the truth, (c) selectively accepting whatever "facts" he likes without any investigation at all, or (d) all of the above.
Next you were going to talk about global cooling and acid rain, right?
What should clue you in to the real "conspiracy" here is how these claims, which have been repeatedly shown to be completely false, keep getting brought up by the supposed leaders of the "global warming is bunk" crowd.
When somebody who is supposed to be expert keeps repeating lies and falsehoods, you have to question their credibility. The fact that this volcano canard still comes up on a regular basis is powerful evidence of the intentional recirculation of misinformation.
Critical thinking is your friend, and Google can help.
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Posted: 14 July 2009 at 1:34pm |
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Actually, I don't need google to know that "global warming" is a scam...
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Peter Parker
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Posted: 14 July 2009 at 1:51pm |
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Ah, yes, because a short list of dissenters is more conclusive than actual science...
And did you notice the "mainstream" part? That means, pretty much by definition, that the list of people supporting the "mainstream" assessment outnumber your paltry little list - by a lot.
So all your list tells me, even if I take it at face value without looking up individuals listed, is that most relevant scientists in fact SUPPORT the current assessment.
Thanks for arguing my point for me.
But in any event, nice dodge. Now try google and volcanos.
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Posted: 14 July 2009 at 1:52pm |
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*grabs some popcorn* It's about damn time we had one of these threads.
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Posted: 14 July 2009 at 1:54pm |
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Peter Parker
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Posted: 14 July 2009 at 2:04pm |
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Don't hold your breath - FE is offline.
In any event, I encourage everybody to google "volcano CO2" or anything like that. What you will get is dozens of links to very reputable sources (US Geological Survey, several top universities), all of which will tell you the actual undisputed fact that combined volcanic activity puts out less than 1% of the CO2 put out by human activity. Less than ONE PERCENT.
Yet the loonie-right blogosphere (as well as Rush and pals) has been regurgitating this outright lie for years. Nobody even knows for sure where this urban legend started. The complete lack of any source whatsover, the incredible ease of debunking - that has not stopped the deniers from keeping this lie alive.
Hence my point: Anybody who tells you about volcanos and CO2 is either lying or hasn't bothered to spend even 15 seconds fact-checking, and you should feel free to be VERY skeptical of everything else they have to say.
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Posted: 14 July 2009 at 2:21pm |
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typical... Discredit "pending" sources before they are even posted...
Very "partial" of you and typical of liberal spin...
I wish I had more time, but I gotta get downtown to pick up a job...
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Peter Parker
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Posted: 14 July 2009 at 2:39pm |
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/random?
What is this "pending" source that I discredited, and what does that have to do with anything at all?
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Peter Parker
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Posted: 14 July 2009 at 2:47pm |
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To those of us in the arguing bidness, this is what we call an "argument from incredulity." Basically it goes like this: "ZOMG THAT CAN'T POSSIBLY BE TRUE!!!11!!"
Not a very persuasive argument form.
And in this case doubly so - as every one of us can look out the window and see how effective man has been at affecting the environment. A claim that human activity "cannot possibly" overcome the forces of nature flies in the face of thousands of years of human activity that has done exactly that.
This is ridiculously simplistic. If we raise the average household utility bill by $50/year, and in the process lay the foundation for a new stronger economy - it's a no-brainer. Of course we make that investment.
Everything has an impact. The challenge is balancing and choosing. Saying we should do nothing that would have any impact would prohibit any action at all.
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Posted: 14 July 2009 at 6:56pm |
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Um doesn't global mean everywhere? |
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Posted: 14 July 2009 at 7:10pm |
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Global means "on average across the earth." The only way the world would cool or heat equally at all points is if it was made of a single substance and the world was a perfectly spherical, non-rotating object with equal outside influence (solar radiation, for example) from all sides. Because the earth isn't perfectly uniform; and because of things like convection and jet streams and ocean currents and differences in heat absorption between water and land and the fact that the heat that matters is measured not only on the surface but under the ocean and in the atmosphere, you aren't going to get equal heating all over the earth. In fact, these attributes are what actually makes some places colder while other places are getting hotter. tc(onfusing);dr, what is happening in your city in no way reflects what is happening to the world as a whole. Edited by Tolgak - 14 July 2009 at 7:11pm |
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Posted: 14 July 2009 at 7:29pm |
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Pffft. I put out more greenhouse gas than that after a good bowl of chili. |
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Posted: 14 July 2009 at 7:40pm |
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You probably also blame Obama for the state of the firearm and ammunition market, don't you. |
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Posted: 14 July 2009 at 7:54pm |
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So where are the numbers of global warming? |
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Posted: 14 July 2009 at 8:04pm |
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I do. But not directly. People think he's gonna do something, and because of that, they all flood the outdoor stores, buying whatever their grubby hands can grab, thus inflating the market. Thanks to delicious capitalism, prices are raised to quell the demand or squeeze a few extra bucks out of it.
The irony is there's not a whole lot Obama can do.
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Posted: 14 July 2009 at 8:36pm |
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As in "how many global warmings?"
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Posted: 15 July 2009 at 8:10am |
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I would ask anyone who is serious about thinking, and wants to understand what is at stake to read "red hot lies".
It will lay out the facts, with all of the references that prove the true agenda of "green" activists.
Remember how the world was going to end because of the ozone layer in our atmosphere (another one claimed to be caused by mans use of hairspray...) Well that crisis passed, and they needed another to generate income.
Global warming (which since the earth is now cooling, they have to change the name...) is the next scam.
Or you can just believe the hype like peter. Who would never read a book like "red hot lies" as it might just affect his liberal mind (the same mind that thinks it is "moderate"...)
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Posted: 15 July 2009 at 8:19am |
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