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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Because a virgin is already alive and developed? Guys can rub one out all they want, and women use up eggs all the time, so an abortion is just like...teamwork. The ingredients were combined before they were thrown out, thats all.


Biologically, you are correct, but if you refuse to believe that conception is nothing more than a biological process which it is perfectly legitimate to artificially terminate due to convenience or poor timing, then this debate will never be resolved.

A natural process, which can be unnaturally terminated. That sort of contradicts itself a little.


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It's not like abortions weren't possible before. We're just better at them now. Heck if some pharoah knocked up a slave wench, he could have just pushed her down a temples front steps and be done with it. Now we're more precise, and less damaging to the woman.

And conception IS just a biological process, it's just an amazingly impressive one.
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I like that the original topic, asking for explanations on an apparent rapid data shift in an opinion poll, made it all of one post deep before turning into the same moral argument seen 1,000 times before. 
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Going off the recent events, I would think its due to the recent polarization of conservatives. Obama's election has elicited an over the top response by the more hardened conservatives and I think people on the fence who may have leaned more towards pro-choice may have swung back, but thats just a hunch.

Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

just a biological process


That really isn't an argument at all.


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Again, there are circumstances, such as medical reasons which jeopardize a mother's life, where I can support an abortion.
 
How about this scenario:  A mother has a serious illness.  It may kill her, it may not - let's say 50/50.  The good news is that there is a cure.  The bad news is that the cure is an organ transplant from the mother's newborn child, and the procedure is certain to kill the child.
 
Is it moral (and should it be legal) for the mother to direct the doctors to kill her newborn child to save herself from a maybe-lethal illness?
 
 


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Newborn, as in already born?  As far as harvesting organs from a baby in utero, seems pretty unethical unless the baby is not develped enough to be viable. If the child is not viable, maybe. If it is, there is no question.

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Originally posted by Peter Parker Peter Parker wrote:

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Again, there are circumstances, such as medical reasons which jeopardize a mother's life, where I can support an abortion.


How about this scenario: A mother has a serious illness. It may kill her, it may not - let's say 50/50. The good news is that there is a cure. The bad news is that the cure is an organ transplant from the mother's newborn child, and the procedure is certain to kill the child.


Is it moral (and should it be legal) for the mother to direct the doctors to kill her newborn child to save herself from a maybe-lethal illness?




Nope, it's already a child. Come on man, throwing out the ingredients, stirred or not is ok. But you shouldn't throw out a cake...I mean you can eat that.
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You can eat a child just as easily as you can a cake.  Sure, theres the whole killing it first thing (maybe), but its the same idea.  Cut into it like a cake.
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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Newborn, as in already born? 

 
Yep.  Let's say three months old.  Something like that.

"E Pluribus Unum" does not mean "Every man for himself".

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Originally posted by Peter Parker Peter Parker wrote:

Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Newborn, as in already born? 

 
Yep.  Let's say three months old.  Something like that.


but at that point it is no longer abortion
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Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

You can eat a child just as easily as you can a cake.  Sure, theres the whole killing it first thing (maybe), but its the same idea.  Cut into it like a cake.


Baby Cakes?


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Originally posted by slackerr26 slackerr26 wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Parker Peter Parker wrote:

Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Newborn, as in already born? 

 
Yep.  Let's say three months old.  Something like that.


but at that point it is no longer abortion


I will accept this argument if someone can up with an actual viable disease that fits this scenario.

Medically, I'm pretty sure this is borderline impossible.
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Originally posted by slackerr26 slackerr26 wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Parker Peter Parker wrote:

Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Newborn, as in already born? 

 
Yep.  Let's say three months old.  Something like that.


but at that point it is no longer abortion
 
Brilliant observation.  Can we all agree that my hypothetical, whereby we sacrifice the child to save the mother, would almost universally be considered morally repugnant?

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Curious to see where you are headed on this....
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Originally posted by Peter Parker Peter Parker wrote:

Originally posted by slackerr26 slackerr26 wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Parker Peter Parker wrote:

Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Newborn, as in already born? 

 
Yep.  Let's say three months old.  Something like that.


but at that point it is no longer abortion
 
Brilliant observation.  Can we all agree that my hypothetical, whereby we sacrifice the child to save the mother, would almost universally be considered morally repugnant?
I'd say so.
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

. . . just a biological process

So's breathing.
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Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:


Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

. . . just a biological process
So's breathing.


What does that have to do with anything that we have ever discussed in any thread on this forum since it started?
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