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    Posted: 28 April 2009 at 10:53am
Seriously?

It is not Ebola.

It is not some other crazy plague.

There will be no carriages with men saying "BRING OUT YER DEAD"

I am sick of hearing about a flu with all the same symptoms, except for some deaths. Deaths in a country that probably has worse medical care in many of its regions. Deaths that if treated most likely would have been avoided.

My rant is brought on by this article:
Global Pandemic

Yes, I know it is an article outlining the worst case scenario, but really? Did the T virus outbreak happen? Is it really necessary to employ these damn scare tactics to get people to read your stupid news?
Que pasa?


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Hey, if we don't get worked up over this the media will have to go back to bashing the government.
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Somehow I'm certain it's Bush's fault.
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We now have a confirmed case in Orlando, FL.

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We also have confirmed cases in Indiana. 

Im still not too worried about it though.
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Dude, I'm just pissed this didn't happen two months ago.  At least there was a chance of me getting out of school at that point.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote High Voltage Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2009 at 2:13pm
So far we have no cases here. Health officials said they expect to see it hit the state but they aren't super worried about it.
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From what I've read it's not good when flu viruses mix their gene types, which is what happened in 1918 from bird flu. Though with today's medical technologies I don't see it getting as bad as it did back then, but still it shouldn't be ignored. 
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The greatest threat is if this thing turned into a pandemic, because then, we would run out of the antiviral drugs needed to fight the flu and people would start dieing here. People are dying in Mexico because of the lack of the right kind of antiviral drugs.

Also, a student brought in about 7 masks today and handed them out, and it was pretty funny. I wanted one. But anyways.


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Dude, you realize that antibiotics don't do anything against viruses, and than influenza is a virus, right?

Antiviral drugs are only somewhat effective anyway, not nearly to the point where we can rely on them the way we rely on antibiotics for bacterial infections.
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There are a multitude of reasons why this flu is getting the airtime it is, and I suggest you read up on it before you make an ignorant comment as "it's the flu but only a couple of people have died".


The 'normal flu' generally only kills the really young, really old, or really weak/sick. It never kills the healthy 16-50 year olds.


This flu IS killing that demographic. It IS worrying that it kills the part of the population who should easily fight it off.

Another thing is that it's doing things to the lungs that the flu just does not do. This flu is causing pneumonia in a lot of them, which is not normal.


And finally, we're trying to figure out how it got spread to humans in the first place, and how it is continuing to spread to other humans.

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Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Dude, you realize that antibiotics don't do anything against viruses, and than influenza is a virus, right?
Seriously, it's right there in the name.

I don't get how some people cannot understand that.

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Originally posted by the CDC the CDC wrote:

Antiviral Drugs and Swine Influenza

Antiviral Drugs

Antiviral drugs are prescription medicines (pills, liquid or an inhaler) with activity against influenza viruses, including swine influenza viruses. Antiviral drugs can be used to treat swine flu or to prevent infection with swine flu viruses. These medications must be prescribed by a health care professional. Influenza antiviral drugs only work against influenza viruses -- they will not help treat or prevent symptoms caused by infection from other viruses that can cause symptoms similar to the flu.

There are four influenza antiviral drugs approved for use in the United States (oseltamivir, zanamivir, amantadine and rimantadine). The swine influenza A (H1N1) viruses that have been detected in humans in the United States and Mexico are resistant to amantadine and rimantadine so these drugs will not work against these swine influenza viruses. Laboratory testing on these swine influenza A (H1N1) viruses so far indicate that they are susceptible (sensitive) to oseltamivir and zanamivir.

Benefits of Antiviral Drugs

Treatment: If you get sick, antiviral drugs can make your illness milder and make you feel better faster. They may also prevent serious influenza complications. For treatment, antiviral drugs work best if started as soon after getting sick as possible, and might not work if started more than 48 hours after illness starts.

Prevention: Influenza antiviral drugs also can be used to prevent influenza when they are given to a person who is not ill, but who has been or may be near a person with swine influenza. When used to prevent the flu, antiviral drugs are about 70% to 90% effective. When used for prevention, the number of days that they should be used will vary depending on a person’s particular situation.

CDC Recommendation

CDC recommends the use of oseltamivir or zanamivir for the treatment and/or prevention of infection with swine influenza viruses.

  • Oseltamivir (brand name Tamiflu ®) is approved to both treat and prevent influenza A and B virus infection in people one year of age and older.
  • Zanamivir (brand name Relenza ®) is approved to treat influenza A and B virus infection in people 7 years and older and to prevent influenza A and B virus infection in people 5 years and older.

Recommendations for using antiviral drugs for treatment or prevention of swine influenza will change as we learn more about this new virus.

Clinicians should consider treating any person with confirmed or suspected swine influenza with an antiviral drug. Visit: http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/recommendations.htm for specific recommendations.


I meant antiviral but same difference.




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No, it is not even close to the same.

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2 confirmed cases here.
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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

There are a multitude of reasons why this flu is getting the airtime it is, and I suggest you read up on it before you make an ignorant comment as "it's the flu but only a couple of people have died".

"in humans the symptoms of swine flu are similar to those of influenza and of influenza-like illness in general. Symptoms include fever, cough, sore throat, body aches, headache, chills and fatigue. A few more patients than usual have also reported diarrhea and vomiting.
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The 'normal flu' generally only kills the really young, really old, or really weak/sick. It never kills the healthy 16-50 year olds.

"Although the incidence of influenza can vary widely between years, approximately 36,000 deaths and more than 200,000 hospitalizations are directly associated with influenza every year in America"


This flu IS killing that demographic. It IS worrying that it kills the part of the population who should easily fight it off.

"The CDC recommends the use of Tamiflu (oseltamivir) or Relenza (zanamivir) for the treatment and/or prevention of infection.....They may also prevent serious flu complications. For treatment, antiviral drugs work best if started soon after getting sick (within 2 days)"

Another thing is that it's doing things to the lungs that the flu just does not do. This flu is causing pneumonia in a lot of them, which is not normal.


And finally, we're trying to figure out how it got spread to humans in the first place, and how it is continuing to spread to other humans.
Que pasa?


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Cool, good to know you can copy-paste from a yahoo.com news article. Does not change a single thing I just stated.

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Except that the symptoms are the same as the regular flu. Yes, it is more deadly but can be treated.
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Did you know that the a diabetic emergency has the SAME EXACT symptoms of a head injury, heart attack, cardiac arrest, seizures, strokes, and other life threatening illnesses?

Just because it has the same symptoms does not mean it can be equated to the other type.




Like you just admitted, it's more deadly. THAT is why people are freaking out.


Hey, if the head of the CDC gets worried about a virus, you bet your ass I will be too.

Edited by Linus - 28 April 2009 at 5:51pm

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